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Published Date: 26 July 2007
NO EVIDENCE has been found to support claims that Prestwick Airport was used for CIA-sponsored "torture flights", according to a Westminster committee.
It had been claimed that, between October 2001 and July 2003, the airport was used on four occasions by CIA-sponsored planes to refuel aircraft which were involved in transporting suspected terrorists to countries where they may undergo torture.

But, following a year-long inquiry, the intelligence and security committee (ISC) could not back the allegations.

The claims had triggered an outcry, but the Crown Office always insisted it had found no evidence to justify the issuing of a search warrant to inspect US flights.

That position was supported by the ISC's inquiry. In a report published yesterday, the committee said it had been told by MI6 that the security service had not helped "extraordinary renditions" via UK airspace of territory.

Government officials also said it had "no evidence" of rendition through the UK, while the Department for Transport said flight data checks "provided no evidence that the flights identified were involved in the rendition of prisoners". However, the committee criticised the government for failing to keep proper records of flight data.

The report said: "It is alleged that, on up to four occasions since 9/11, aircraft that had previously conducted a rendition operation overseas transited UK airspace during their return journeys (without detainees on board). The committee has not seen any evidence that might contradict the police assessment that there is no evidential basis on which a criminal inquiry into these flights could be launched."

Lord Foulkes, who sits on the committee, told The Scotsman that, following the investigation, members were "pretty certain" that Prestwick had not been used to help transport suspects to secret jails.

Tim Hancock, Amnesty International

's UK campaign director, said: "We welcome the committee's acknowledgement that secret detention amounts to 'mistreatment' and that the UK must never give approval to measures leading to it.

"It is alarming that, according to the committee, British intelligence material has been used by the US in rendering UK residents from Gambia to Guantanamo.

"Rendition is the fast-track to Guantanamo and we need to see the government unequivocally condemning all renditions and secret detentions."



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  • Last Updated: 25 July 2007 10:36 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: CIA 'torture flights'
 
1

sandy,

USA land of the free, home of the brave 25/07/2007 23:30:39

well now, what will the posters who were so sure this was happening, say now.....it will be interesting!!

2

Leon,

Hong Kong 26/07/2007 00:08:40

Number 1

This article says that there was no evidence that rendition flights stopped at Prestwick.

Whether that is true or not is a debate. There is no debate, however, that people were tortured by Americans or their proxy torturers in Poland and Egypt to name two countries This is now held to be common knowledge. That this continues today.

The only justification for this is the protection of America from terrorist attacks.

That my friend is no justification for torturer.

But you, like millions of Americans hold their hands up to protest about breaches of human rights and the protection of democracy in countries that you deem to be outwith your sphere of influence while subjecting people to the hell of imprisonment without trial based on paranoia or evidence secured under the torturer’s pleasure!

And you wonder why you are the most despised nation on earth!

3

Leon,

Hong Kong 26/07/2007 00:26:23

Just an aside. This decision is the equivalent of asking Mussolini to investigate Hitler's war crimes!!

4

Goel,

Scotland 26/07/2007 00:33:05

I still suspect that rendition flights went through Prestwick - they simply haven't found any evidence for it.

Why would they willingly open that can of worms? The Americans wouldn't give them the evidence if they asked for it in any event.

But if it is suspected in the future, then officers must conduct immediate inspections, and must have the power to do so.

There is probably also a strong case for carrying out genuinely random checks if US military flights are using Scottish airports (and airspace).

G.

5

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26/07/2007 02:16:54
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6

Guga II,

Rockall 26/07/2007 03:11:08

#5 Troll (the septic tank). The reason there is no evidence is that nobody had a look inside the American air force aircraft that landed at Prestwick.

Incidentally, Elvis landed at the then American air force base in Prestwick, in one of the many thousands of American aircraft that passed through or were based there at the time.

7

donald,

weegieland 26/07/2007 06:40:10

And Elvis wisnae there neither.

Nae torture flghts? Ever flown Ryanair?

8

ordinaryperson,

Greenock 26/07/2007 08:06:02

We know for a fact that the US will dismiss any concerns from its puppets in the UK government over this issue if it goes against their interests. The UK government will never admit to these flights taking place and the commitee is filled with its supporters who are unlikely to rock the boat.

9

paulr,

26/07/2007 08:39:13

Oh well, thats cleared that up then......

10

Nick_Byrne,

Glasgow 26/07/2007 08:47:31

What you actually saw was swamp gas or the planet venus.

11

Alberto.,

26/07/2007 09:58:35

No evidence - obviously!

Many moons ago a Government spokesman - I feel sure it was Jack Straw, stated something on the lines of 'records are not kept or information required even if such 'suspected flights' are involved at our airports! However, we must bear in mind that at the time, probably as always, ‘misleading statements from Ministers’ were generally the order of the day, and, in good old Tony Blair style, could well have been misunderstood by the electorate!!

It was also stated by some Airline / Airport official that 'There is an International agreement that any aircraft from anywhere / to anywhere, apparently for whatever reason – and apparently giving / requiring a reason was not essential, just the simple request for permission to land, it has to be granted - regardless, and presumably without any conditions attached to the permission – and presumably therefore - ‘no questions asked.’

Of course there will be ‘no evidence’ of any such activities, and, like the 'insufficient evidence in the 'Cash for Honours' to allow charges to be brought - it cannot truthfully mean to say 'it didn't happen!'

It must never be forgotten that in ‘Politikspeek’ the statement - ‘We could not find any evidence’ could simply be due to the fact they hadn’t yet looked in the right draw – but a simple ‘not find’ will suit the Politicalwise situation very well – for now!

Next question please!

12

AJ of Fife,

26/07/2007 11:04:34

Of course there wasn't....aye right!!!!!!

13

IanW,

Germany 26/07/2007 11:08:10

Leon #2 - Hi there Leon, in your post you say "The only justification for this is the protection of America from terrorist attacks. - That my friend is no justification for torturer.".

Sorry but I have to disagree with you. Given the state of the world which is becoming more and more affected by terrorist extremists I would support the use of any means to prevent further attacks. This does not mean that I klike the idea of torture, it is a barbaric outdated practice. However for any government to fully protect its citizens sometimes nasty treatment needs to be used.

If by torturing one terrorist we can prevent the death of even one other citizen then I would say do it.

This is not a nioce attitude and I fully accept that in a civilised world this should never be condoned. However we no longer live in a world of safety.

14

sandy,

USA land of the free, home of the brave 26/07/2007 11:56:07

#2--Leon--""the only justification for this is the protection of America from terrorist attacks""

i'm surprised that you, a supporter of terrorists, made such an accurate statement!! btw..it's the 'United States of America'....

""and you wonder why you are the most despised nation on earth!"".....

we are the most envied nation on earth....people from all over the world, are, to this day, still risking their lives to come to the USA....

a little dittie for you this day, Leon..
don't believe everything you think!!!

15

Stewarty,

26/07/2007 12:20:46

#13
I agree. If a few well-placed electrodes on flesh results in hundreds of people living rather than being murdered in the name of Allah, so be it.

Needs must!

16

Riley Hamish,

Sanguine Scot 26/07/2007 12:37:14

#SANDY
Yeah.........and a bunch of cowards as well.
Only ever happy to bomb other near-undefended peoples from the air with missiles and the like. Happy to shoot-first and ask no questions ever, in occupied civilian areas.................but most embarrassing of all..........a domestic population who voted for Dubya (and with lots of truly crazy T-Shirts with slogans like "These colours don't run" emblazoned accross the US flag)...when the average US citizen is increasingly paranoid about air travel (even domestically) after listening to the Bill O'Reilly type NeoCons who continue to rule you guys through fear of this latest bogeyman.
You are all...well most of you...are dumb idiots .
"Dim but Nice" is about all that might be said for you lot..........so get yourselves off home and we'll ALL be better off, regardless of any current problems.you guys just ain't helpin'........Gerrit????

17

IanW,

Germany 26/07/2007 13:06:51

Stewarty *15 - Thanks for the support. Just one very small thing though. Not all terrorists do it for Allah. There are other terrorists around and they fall under the same umbrella.

18

Stewarty,

26/07/2007 13:50:11

IanW #17
I take your point. Terrorism is not confined to those who purport to follow Allah. Those who perpetrate terrorism effectively repudiate any claim to be treated as human beings.

19

sandy,

USA land of the free, home of the brave 26/07/2007 15:24:16

6--Riley Hamish---""Dim but Nice""...i can live with that!! :-)

20

sandy,

USA land of the free, home of the brave 26/07/2007 15:26:44

#18--Stewarty---""those who perpetrate terrorism effectively repudiate any claim to be treated as human beings""......well stated!!!

21

jd1,

edinburgh 26/07/2007 16:01:31

remeber when all the anti-war brigade laughed at Donald Rumsfield when he said about wmd's that "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence".

Well, those same people are now saying exactly that about rendition flights. What a bunch of hypocrits!

22

sandy,

USA land of the free, home of the brave 26/07/2007 17:05:53

#21--jd1---bravo!!

23

daveserviceman,

Edinburgh 26/07/2007 17:10:10

well the answer is to stop all american flights from entwering scotland even if they have no fuel
this also concerns commercial aircraft ie american airlines and continental we dont need them here nor any american business so go home merryl lynch
and go home american consulate we can go to paris for our visa's

24

Tricia,

26/07/2007 17:18:28

The findings are most likely the result of the British government following the US military's don't ask-don't tell policy.

25

Col Blimp III,

26/07/2007 18:38:06

#21. jd1, edinburgh
As immigration officials did not board any of these flights and interview any of the shackled and hooded passengers with the orange overalls.

Just what evidence was there likely to be, for or against the allegations?

#15. Stewarty
Do you seriously believe that torture, indefinite detention without trial, summary executions and the like. Will make the friends, families and associates of your victims less likely to retaliate?

Or give you the moral high ground for that matter?

26

Stewarty,

27/07/2007 09:17:08

#25 Col Blimp
The only "victims" in the current scenario are those on the receiving end of terrorist action.

I care not if I am on the moral high ground, or not - it is of no significance to me. Protecting innocent people from maniacs most assuredly is.


 

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