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Published Date: 23 August 2007
CIA "torturers" have been flown to the Middle East through Scotland as part of the United States' controversial rendition flights programme, ministers will be told today.
The new allegations will be made by human rights campaigners, who will urge the SNP-led Scottish Executive to take powers from London to allow it to stop Scotland being used for these flights in future.

Kenny MacAskill, the justice secretary, wil
l also be told Scottish airports were heavily involved in the process of shipping prisoners from eastern Europe to Guantanamo Bay, the United States' base in Cuba.

Reprieve, a group that fights for prisoners denied justice in the name of the "war on terror", will tell Mr MacAskill

that 24 CIA jets stopped to refuel on Scottish soil at least 107 times between 2001 and 2005.

It will also claim six named individuals have been "victims" of Scottish refuelling flights, including Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the suspected al-Qaeda mastermind behind the 9/11 attacks in New York.

Clive Stafford Smith, the legal director of Reprieve, told The Scotsman there was no evidence Sheikh Mohammed had been flown through Scotland. But he said his group could prove planes involved in transporting Sheikh Mohammed from Europe to Guantanamo Bay had passed through Scotland.

Mr Stafford Smith said: "There is no evidence that prisoners were on the planes, but there were torturers on the planes which went to places in the Middle East. Scotland is complicit in these actions and I do not think they want to be complicit. The SNP should look at having powers in foreign policy and over aviation policy."

The Executive said it had made "clear its opposition to rendition flights". It said Reprieve and other groups had been invited to produce any evidence they had about airports in Scotland being used for such purposes.



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  • Last Updated: 22 August 2007 10:32 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: CIA 'torture flights'
 
1

walter,

23/08/2007 00:53:02

Tax payers money has already been wasted on investigations due to allegations made by these people.
These allegations were proved to be false and now they want to stir up more trouble by making more allegations without any hard facts.
I would hope the SNP would hold up a middle finger to these people and tell them to swivel but I cannot see that happening, they will happily waste even more money on these allegations and then moan because they do not have funding for one of their manifesto pledges.

2

UriahHeep,

Edinburgh 23/08/2007 01:33:33

This is as interesting and relevant as the fact that Elvis once had a brief stop over at Prestwick airport.
Look closely...we don't care.

3

Sean K,

Edinburgh 23/08/2007 02:47:20

Every reader should note how AM2, New Labour's mouthpiece in the Scottish press blogs, -

- how he defends rendition flights and torture, and supports the extreme Bush / Cheyney brutal attitude towards people of foreign lands.

We long suspected it, but now he makes that clear.

Perhaps he gets half his salary from the CIA.

4

Sammy25,

23/08/2007 03:42:13

Flights of this nature must not be permitted to land.

The interiors of all suspect aircraft should be inspected.

5

Sam Mond,

Mars 23/08/2007 08:24:31

Once again, the guilty have their rights protected whilst the innocent are left to suffer.

Quite right Daragonhead and AM2, what is next? Close all the RAF bases because a squadron of F-16s from USAF touched down on their way to patrol the East-West border in Germany in the 70's.

6

New Hampshire's VH-FAN,

New Hampshire, USA 23/08/2007 10:35:07

As a first-born Scottish-English citizen of America, I could not possibly care less about this article. That is to say, We The People--of any democratic nation--elect our officials, then hope for the best--until the next election. The war on terror--like the wars on cancer, etc.--was too long in coming, and, I believe, need to be fought to win, regardless of how many 18-35 year-old middle eastern suspected, much less confessed gentlemen have to be rounded up, removed from general population, and interrogated. Period. Life is too short. Screw the bad guys until they light up like Las Vegas!!

7

Cool,

23/08/2007 11:17:45

Lets get real...the people in these "flights" are hardly folk who deserve our hand wringing sympathy.There is evidence against them,but as we all know, not all evidence is enough for a Trial.....they can keep on flying & landing where ever they like.My opinion only.

8

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23/08/2007 11:19:03
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9

we the people,

23/08/2007 11:52:17

You people on this blog are callous fools. The US empire is running a worldwide network of concentration camps, where people kidnapped or handed in for bounty from across the world are systematically brutalised (very often children). There is no way in hell we in scotland should allow our infrastructure to aid the paranoid and vengeful abuses of the neocon ruling junta.
Now they're coming for the muslims, so we do nothing. When they come for us, who will be left to speak up?

10

New Hampshire's VH-FAN,

New Hampshire, USA 23/08/2007 12:03:34

United World of America. Yeah, bay-bee!

But, seriously: fight to win, or you lose. (Blogging aint never made no difference.)

America is doing the most freedom fighting, while your sheepish little nations slowly bleat themselves to death..

The future of *my* planet? Spell it UWA!

Peace thru Strength.

11

Cool,

23/08/2007 12:21:05

#12 ur warped reading of History...(Concentration Camps!) is so far off the mark U do know what happened in Concentration Camps surely) Totally innocent civilians by the Million were sent there,babies,kids,pregnant women & all....to be wiped out! These kidnapped,well done Jack Braur,are the bad guys,& if u dont know that,u r so naive as to be regarded as dangerous....

12

Lock,

23/08/2007 12:43:53

#1,

Of course it was one of those confessions that would stand up in a court of law.

Don't forget he also confessed to killing Archduke Ferdinand, starting global warming, triggering the indonesian tsunami, and scoring the Iranian winner v the USA in the 1998 world cup.

13

SF,

23/08/2007 13:31:04

12 - you're comments show extremely crass ignorance. Can you provide any evidence for a modern concentration camp, particularly involving children? I would fully agree that Guantanamo Bay etc is an abomination and it should be closed and the people held there brought into a proper legal process where evidence can be assessed and appropriate judgements made if convicted. However, to compare the use of an illegal prison holding people who may well be responsible for appalling atrocities to concnetration camps is to use your own words, callous and ignorant beyond belief and deeply offensive to the memories of those who died in real concentration camps.

14

Biker,

Ayr 23/08/2007 15:20:18

New Hampshire.... You are a first class arse!!! America has been responsible for more internicine wars courtesy of the CIA than almost everyone else. Allow redition flights and you are complicit in the torture of the individuals.
Dragonhead. You once again display a total ignorance of the facts. Could this be the old armed forces attitude? I think so. Simply because we dont agree with your rambling dos'nt make us the enemy, simply the voice of reason.
No 12 makes valied points and should not be dismissed lightly. Abu Grave prison is administed by the US, as are prisons in South America and Africa. Dont be fooled, the US are doing the west no favours with their current administration.

15

AyrshireScot,

23/08/2007 16:13:53

#1 AM2 - oh well, if the Scotsman says there were no rendition flights then that's settled then.....

#5 Sean K and #12 We the people - are spot on. There have been ample evidence of kidnap and rwendition in several EU countries, taking people to site in Eatern Europe and elsewhere where "dubiou" interrogation and human rights abuses have occurred. Abu Brabe, Gitmo are obvious examples - if not "concentration camps" - perhaps an unfortunate and immotive choice a phrase, they are certainly US run facilities, not denounced by the UK government, where human rights abuses are gross and blatant.

16

AyrshireScot,

23/08/2007 16:18:36

~1 AM2 - in citing "no evdidence for renditions" - would these be the some of same folks cited in the article who had located all the WMD in Iraq before the invasion?

17

AyrshireScot,

23/08/2007 16:20:58

13~ if your knowledge of geography was above that possessed by an edible mollusc it would allow you to place Scotland in the UK, your fighting ally in illegal wars of agression, much as most of us here are deeply ashamed of the fact

18

Help Ma Boab,

3 Wise Monkey Land 23/08/2007 17:01:23

Re the "torturers" passing through on the way to the middle east - What do they expect us to do, ban all Americans from flying through the UK? At least they passed thru, i'd be Shi**in me pants if they stayed. Don't like the idea of Guantanemo, or picking up anyone who has a a beard and a copy of the Koran. But, if someone is a terrorist, do what you like to them before they do to it to us. Mind you, we should also get out of Iraq, leave iran alone, sort out Palestine by treating both sides equally, and stop using terms like evil, hell, god, crusade, etc. In other words, maybe we should get real if we want other to do the same.

19

Miss H,

23/08/2007 17:11:28

21

Ireland did.

20

Miss H,

23/08/2007 17:12:46

2 Walter

They haven't been proven to be false.

21

AyrshireScot,

23/08/2007 17:15:14

#17 Biker, yiou are totally wrong.

Is nothing first class about the pillock. He is 3rd rate at best.

22

puskas,

East Kilbride 23/08/2007 17:19:37

Put quite simply ......... The Scottish people should know what is passing through its airspace... Everything.

I think it is fair to say that after many years imprisoned at Gauntanamo we should now consider not guilty verdicts on their behalf...

Innocent until proven guilty I believe.

23

Miss Jean Brodie,

23/08/2007 18:39:01

Torture all aircraft passengers for their blight on the environment - and extract confession from them for their wrong doing - then intern them - sounds like a plan - I should be in the Labour Party! It’s the kinda sense these idiots talk !

Never see Joe baa PR man - aka airport fan boy on these airport issue boards - ? Why is that - is it bad baa pr?

24

Honest Jock,

Leith 23/08/2007 18:45:45

1 AM2

And now you reveal your true colours.
You believe 2 wrongs make a right. Its ok for us to break the law because somebody else did it first.
Al Queda is now the excuse we need to do as we please and legallity and the rule of law can kiss our collective arses is that the way it is?
Its ok for us to commit terrorisim in order to combat terrorism is that the way it should be?
Why bother making laws at all if all it takes to ignore them is for somebody else to break them first?

25

Honest Jock,

Leith 23/08/2007 18:47:36

6

And what law is it you prefer? might is right maybe?

26

AyrshireScot,

23/08/2007 19:25:37

#6 Dragonhead - you write alot like AM2

27

AyrshireScot,

23/08/2007 20:41:49

#30 AM2 - I didn't say anything of the sort (your ref to #18- "easily dismissed" - it was #17) - please acknowledge your error and retract, you umpudent hound.
You say I grossly oversimplify the ISC role - LOL - as if the dodgy dossiers and 45 minute claims were not over-simplified. And as for legality, why doesn't the gov publsih the original and full attorney general's opinion?
Go on you dyspeptic, muckle oaf - put a lid on your huge pot of fermenting stale mince.

28

AyrshireScot,

23/08/2007 20:48:41

#31 - That should read "impudent hound". And AM2's mince is greasy as well as stale.

29

Eric D,

Glasgow 23/08/2007 20:58:51

I am glad glad our Gov are helping the Americans rid the earth of pond life like
Sheikh Mohammed .

30

AyrshireScot,

23/08/2007 21:10:26

AM2 - you pettyfogging, mice-cooking swine. Yeah, I'll acknowledge i got the number wrong, well spotted. I stand by my support of the posts of Sean K et al though - I note you don't address my arguments re. simplification in WMD dossiers or publication of AG's report. Too busy stirring your mince to address the debateas usual.

31

AyrshireScot,

23/08/2007 21:11:26

#35 - meant mince cooking, but wouldn't put it past you to torture wee fluffy rodents :-)

32

American,

USA 23/08/2007 21:31:47

Cant believe some of you people are complaining because the cia refueled in your country. And instead of us sending the prisoners to club gitmo, maybe some of you bleeding hearts can set up an "adopt-a-jihadist" program in your country, this way you can take care of & watch these poor, innocent jihadists.

33

W Smith,

Middle East 23/08/2007 21:37:44

Spare a thought for the poor Cubans who very rarely get a mention as the 'human rights' groups are more interested in Guatanamo Bay.

Many Cubans have to get by on $25/month and don't enjoy the freedom to travel, legally, outside their country.

Many have died trying to reach Florida by boat - trying to escape Castro's socialist disneyland.

Apparently, these Cubans aren't as 'innocent' as the AK-47 yielding terrorists who are now held at Guatanamo.

These human rights activists are more concerned about the welfare of muslim terrorists who, allegedly, were only in Afghanistan on some kind of sight seeing tour and or shopping trip with some 'charity work' thrown in.

So it was the January Sales that attracted some British muslims to Afghanistan then?

34

AyrshireScot,

23/08/2007 21:46:34

#38 Or adopt a troll

35

AyrshireScot,

23/08/2007 22:39:15

#37 - AM2 - how did you read the AG's full advice when even the Cabinet didnt get to see it? Are you in fact Tony Blair?

36

AyrshireScot,

23/08/2007 23:01:54

#42 - No, mince-master, this is the SECOND summary paper submitted to cabinet. Read Alistair Campbells diaries or Clare Short. First, full opinion never released. I'll do you a deal - raise your game and address facts, real debate with sincere arguments and I'll stop saying you spout mince. Until then, night night mince peddler

37

AyrshireScot,

23/08/2007 23:10:07

#42 - AMincey2 - and if you read it, its suggests that an interpretation by the UNSC would be necessary to adjudicate on breach of 1441 (i.e, at least specific authorisation by UNSC of force).

The first opion was never released - as this one doesn't even condone force in absence of UNSC explicit authorisation (not obtained) god only knows what the first opinion said, but we can guess it questioned legality of force in absence of explicit UNSC authorisation. Down with illegal war-merchants and midnight mince mashers.

38

AyrshireScot,

23/08/2007 23:27:12

#45 - AM2 - "Only the final advice was published" - exactly my point. The first, full paper, was never publlished nor even made available to Cabinet (red Clare Short or Robin Cook accounts). The whole point is that only a second paper, AFTER was apparent no second UNSCR was forthcoming, was made available, and does not condone force without explicit UNSC approval. Thanks for making my case. And I'll deconstruct nothing - to invade a country, causing death of tens of thousands of children, should have been EXPLICITLY authorised - it was not, not even by the UK gov's own legal opinion. Your mince is becoming a mixed up stir fry.

39

AyrshireScot,

23/08/2007 23:30:27

#45 AM", and for the love of God - "given that he changed his mind" - so you agree the UK attorney general first opionion was that Iraq invasion illegal. And he softened (didn't reverse) that opionion when clear no 2nd resolution achievable. Illegal. And vile spin driven manipulation. Thanks for helping clarify.

40

Sammy25,

24/08/2007 03:58:04

12 / What you say is true.

41

AyrshireScot,

24/08/2007 11:49:23

#MA2 - you do make me laugh. "How desperate I am tobe correct" - you got a mirror chez vous?

The Attorney General is not, as he proved in changing his advice to suit the failed cictcumstance of no 2nd UNSCR, an objective legal opinion - he is a Blair toadey - the fact that not even he could come to conclusion that the invasion was legal makes my case. So thanks for the offer of mince, but no thanks - your mince is stale, overcooked and a bit bitter, as usual - best get back to your pot, am sure you'll have plenty mince to spew about Salmonds first 100 days

42

AyrshireScot,

24/08/2007 18:27:00

#51 - No, I destroyed your claim that the published Ag report was the only one. It was the second, the first not even having been given to the cabinet. Not in my opinion, nut in that of cabinet members at the time (read Cook, Short etc) it was becuase it was at best equivocal on legality. The second opinion is still equivical on legality. What has this to do with rendition flights tho??
Have turned vegetarian now, in my attitude to you, ya cabbage.

43

American,

USA 24/08/2007 22:31:42

#40-No troll here!

44

American,

USA 24/08/2007 22:34:19

#12-we the people-LOL (sorry)


 

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