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Published Date: 05 July 2009
CHERIE Blair, the wife of the former prime minister, has dealt an embarrassing blow to Labour by praising the SNP's "courageous" plans to reform Scotland's prison system.


Meanwhile, former first minister Henry McLeish, who led a commission on sentencing for the SNP Government, accused his own party of misleading voters over the proposals, describing their opposition as "ridiculous".

A report headed by Blair into the English prison system has called for an adoption of SNP reforms under which sentences of less than six months will be cut and community sentencing increased.

Scottish Labour insists that the proposals will allow hundreds of dangerous criminals to "dodge jail", leaving communities prey to violent offenders.

SNP ministers want to reduce the number of jail terms of less than six months, claiming they "do more harm than good" by failing to prevent re-offending and causing prison overcrowding.

In courts, there would be a presumption against such short spells in jail, with judges and sheriffs urged instead to consider community sentences where offenders "pay back" to society.

The policy came under renewed pressure last week after new figures showed that hundreds of serious offenders had been given sentences of less than six months in recent years. In 2007-08, 63 people guilty of serious assault and attempted murder received a sentence of less than six months. Labour claimed yesterday that the SNP proposals amounted to a "get out of jail free card".

But the SNP has received fresh support from two of Labour's most prominent figures.

The report by the Commission on English Prisons, headed by Blair, said Scotland "has taken a courageous lead in the UK by taking serious steps to address its prisons crisis".

Launching the commission's report, Blair said last week: "More widespread use of effective community sentences would both allow us to reduce the use of prison and allow for reinvestment of resources into local communities to cut offending".

McLeish hit out at Labour's opposition to the prison reforms.

"Their claims are wholly ridiculous," he said. "They are arguing against something that is not being implemented or recommended by the (Scottish] Government. My appeal to Labour, who were the progressive party, is to read the report (by the Scottish Prisons Commission]. None of it adds up to anything remotely like what they are claiming. They are misleading the public."

He added: "The Labour claims on this are just totally wrong. There is no provision that says every sentence under six months is not allowed. The sheriff still have the right to sentence as they wish."

He went on: "Labour and the Conservatives are saying crime equals punishment equals prison. That strategy has got us into a situation where we are wasting millions of pounds every year, a situation where we are not protecting the public any better and a situation where we have some of the highest re-conviction rates in Europe."

However, Labour insists the effect will be to end all sentences of less than six months. The SNP proposals mean that if judges or sheriffs do impose a sentence of six months or less, they will have to provide a reason at the point of sentencing as to why.

Scottish Labour's community safety spokesman, Paul Martin MSP, said: "The figures on those people receiving six months sentences or less speak for themselves. Under Kenny MacAskill's plans he would essentially be issuing get out of jail free cards to hundreds of dangerous criminals. These plans are simply disastrous. They prove that Kenny MacAskill is soft on crime and failing to deliver."

Martin added: "We are on the side of communities in Scotland who are blighted by crime and who need protection from the kind of individuals who carry out serious assaults and knife crime."

Last week's figures found that since 2003-04, 335 of those found guilty of serious assault were given sentences of less than 182 days. A further three people convicted of attempted murder were also given terms of less than six months.

The data for the most recent year, 2007-8, show 63 people guilty of serious assault were given sentences of six months or less. This represents one in 12 of all those convicted of this offence.

Of the 351 convicted of robbery across Scotland in 2007-8, about a quarter – 85 – were jailed for six months or less, while a fifth of those convicted of crimes of indecency were given terms of less than six months.

Supporters of the new reforms insist that there is no reason why these criminals will still be sent behind bars following the SNP reforms. However, McLeish said: "We have laid out specific criteria where it will still be for the sheriff to decide. The final decision stays with the bench."


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1

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 05/07/2009 00:13:49

I do not think that Cherie Blair has influence over others, therefore what she says is rather 'non-void'.

2

Conan the Librarian™,

05/07/2009 00:14:09
You can't have it both ways sm753.

Got it?
3

Observer,,

Glasgow 05/07/2009 00:14:13
What ignorant nonsense Smee. On this occasion Cherie - a qualified barrister which I don't think you are - is right.

The SNP's penal policy, based on the recommendations of the Prison Commission, chaired by Henry McLeish, is entirely correct
4

Tracker,

05/07/2009 00:25:00
She is in a good position to back the policy - hundreds of miles away from the streets the convicted criminals will be on!

Hard graft behind bars is what criminals need.
5

Fifi la Bonbon,

05/07/2009 00:30:56
Typical of some people to attack this hugely knowledgeable and experienced lawyer as does #1. And the fact that she has endorsed the approach of the Scottish government in penal policy is in no way embarrassing to the Labour party as the reporter suggests.

I recently commented that the many members of the Nationalist Party, including councillors, who disagree with the Justice Minister Kenny McAskill have kept their mouths shout, presumably out of misplaced loyalty - just as those who agreed a policy to regulate transport at the conference in 2006 kept their mouths shut after it was dropped from the manifesto in return for half a million pounds from Mister Souter. I am glad to say that in most other democratic parties you are allowed to say what you think and disagree with the government, even if your party is in office. Cherie Booth QC, the wife of former PM Tony Blair, is free to say what she thinks and nobody should think any the worse of her for that.

Having said all that, she's completely wrong. The Nationalist administration's policy is sending a huge signal to criminals that they can do what they like with impunity. And Cherie is wrong for endorsing it.
6

Fifi la Bonbon,

05/07/2009 00:40:06
If there is a prisons crsis then it's one of not having enough space to keep convicts locked up for a long time.

I have proposed that we should do a deal with our friends in Malawi, where there is a refreshingly robust and traditional approach to dealing with offenders, and lots of space and qualified labour to build and staff many inexpensive prisons for our surplus convicts to serve reassuringly long sentences, and with friends and family far away, no chance of access to drugs or mobile phones.

It would help the Malawian economy, promote healthy lifestyles, give respite to hard pressed communities and send an unmistakeable message to those who might be tempted to do a bad crime.
7

Brianwci,

05/07/2009 00:40:47
Cherie Blair and Henry Mcleish are displaying a rare honesty in politics. Not only speaking out against their own party but essentially backing an opposition party.

This can only help to restore the trust of people in their politicians. Small steps admittedly but important first steps nevertheless.
8

Observer,,

Glasgow 05/07/2009 00:42:22
6 You are talking absolute mince.

I can't be bothered right now, but for posters interested in Fifi's general stupidity on this issue, and she is an amazingly stupid person, see yesterday's Hootsman.
9

Observer,,

Glasgow 05/07/2009 00:45:20
7 We lock up more people than anyone else in Europe and you want us to lock up more, you are just an idiot a complete moron - readers see yesterdays thread.
10

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/07/2009 00:50:26
eDDIE, rDDIE, eDDIE.

Are you up for transfer?
11

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/07/2009 00:57:54
11, Cynicus in Exile. The thing about all your posts is that they lack any sense of reality.

A fárrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrt in a spaceship is but a minor detail. By the time the smell was weightless you could just push it out your way.
12

Fifi la Bonbon,

05/07/2009 01:07:10
#9 and #10 - an object lesson in why it should be more difficult for people to get their hands on cheap booze.
13

qohldr,

05/07/2009 01:08:35
The Blairwitch that Bastion of the criminals charter (human rights) backs the SNP.
I suggest the SNP run as far from what they intend to implement as soon as possible if they have her backing.
14

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

05/07/2009 01:12:47
#7

Not a bad Idea, considering that prison is supposed to be a deterrent and a punishment and it would certainly further reduce the numbers of absconders from open prisons.

I would further suggest that transfers to and from "Devils Jungle" should be made by prison ships.

Purpose built on the Clyde of course.

15

Fifi la Bonbon,

05/07/2009 01:28:25
#16 - well, I think it would be very satisfying for there to be a ship sailing from Leith every month down through Suez and landing its cargo of convicts at Dar es Salaam. There seem to be excellent road and rail connections thence to northern Malawi.
16

Fitba Krazy,

05/07/2009 01:28:43
They could always sentence a violent criminal to a year instead of 6 months. Why do people wrongly assume this is about making it easy for criminals?

People who don't pay their tv licence. smoke dope and other trivial offences that shouldn't even be offences should NOT go to jail.

Jail should be for violent criminals who are proven to be so without any justification, i.e. NOT those forced into defending themselves against bams who somehow get off with attacking people when it is they who should get the jail.

It's all very well talking tough on crime so long as you get the REAL criminals and not some innocent by-stander left alone after the event who is charged with false evidence as is often the case.

Some police wait till after the event before moving in and picking up some unlucky punter who just happens to be in the wrong place and is made the scapegoat.

17

Fifi la Bonbon,

05/07/2009 01:32:20
#17 - I think Observer finds it difficult to engage with the facts and arguments I am adducing - she has failed to notice that I was actually agreeing at #6 with her substantive point at #4.
18

Fifi la Bonbon,

05/07/2009 01:37:50
#19 - People who don't pay their tv licences should pay the £2.74 it costs a week or give up their telly. People who get caught smoking dope should stop if it's against the law (which it isn't, though possessing it is) and people who commit trivial offences should refrain from committing them, to avoid suffering the penalties imposed by law. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
19

Fitba Krazy,

05/07/2009 01:38:33
20 Fifi

It IS embarrassing to the Labour Party that Cherie Blair of all people is supporting the SNP policy.

Labour attacked the SNP for releasing prisoners leniently when in fact THEY had the worst record for re-offending when they were in power.

That is pure malicious ignorance as we have come to expect from the Labour Party.
20

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

05/07/2009 01:39:52
#17 Labour lies,

Be fair, she dished up a rare serving of Steak Tartare with the "Devils Jungle" thing.

The transport ships could be of the Eco-Friendly Galley type, powered by lesser criminals and first offenders, who are to be given community service orders.
21

Fitba Krazy,

05/07/2009 01:41:43
21 Fifi

It is the BBC who should be jailed for extortion as that is what the licence fee is.

Why should we pay them to feed us totally biased propaganda?

Do you just follow the rules even when they are bent and corrupt?
22

Ronald Penman,

Glasgow 05/07/2009 01:46:00
Funny how these NEW LABOUR "Loyalists" and sycophantic half-wits on here start attacking the wife of their beloved former PM for having the temerrity to speak her mind,,and that her conclusions do not match their Rabid-Right,"hang 'em high" views.

Speaking of Blair, I do wonder if THE BLESSED TONY'S
black-eye was down to the Misses,or perhaps it was one of the relatives of soldiers or civilians murdered in Iraq or Afganistan.

My only regret was that the old warmonger and scumbag did not get his lights punched out properly !
23

Fifi la Bonbon,

05/07/2009 01:52:03
22 - how is it embarrassing to the Labour Party that Cherie of all people is supporting the Nationalists' policy?

She's not a member of the government - never has been. Anything she says carries the credibility she has as a top QC. She's married to someone who was, but that doesn't impose any responsibilities on her, any more than the spouse of a nationalist minister has a special duty to the party he or she is involved in. Most of them are kept well out of sight, anyway!

There are plenty of Labour members and supporters who agree with her, just as there are plenty Nationalist members and supporters who disagree with her. It's a free country.
24

Fifi la Bonbon,

05/07/2009 01:53:04
#36 - the only people here attacking Cherie for speaking her mind seem to be Nationalist "Loyalists" and sycophantic half-wits.
25

Cracker06,

Livingston 05/07/2009 02:00:48
The SNP should be careful about making too much of this "support".

Remember this is a woman who stated that suicide bombers felt they had "no hope but to blow themselves up".

Also, she believed that whenever possible women should not be sent to jail as it's bad for the family - it appears that in her thinking men being sent to the prison for the same crimes is fine for families.
26

Ronald Penman,

Glasgow 05/07/2009 02:08:51
ER.... Rufus....Creature ....Fi Fi....


Methinks you have been on the White Lightning once again. What have I told you, you cretin ?

Just look at your last misserable apology for a posting.

Firstly; we are not up #36 you f***wit!

Secondly; could you not manage - in your drunken, befudled state to formulate your own choice of wording rather that steal mine ?

But then again all you right-wing Klan members were on the march today, and I guess you do get "tired and emtional" after spewing out your hate and filth yet again.
27

Fifi la Bonbon,

05/07/2009 02:20:39
#29 and #31 - you must both be senior members of the Scottish bar, with PhDs in philosophy and rhetoric, to demonstrate such forensic skill in making your arguments.

#29 - I haven't attacked Cherie - quite the opposite.

#31 - you have certainly won this argument beyond a peraventure - I did type 3 instead of 2. Fortunately, your lightning fast mind spotted the solecism and you so elegantly and wittily upbraided me for my grave offence. The reason why I quoted your words was that I stood in awe of your elegance of form and style. You were a contributor to Blackwood's Magazine in a past life, admit it.

With minds like yours on his side, Kenny McAskill cannot fail to survive!
28

Dunnie,

Canada 05/07/2009 02:24:28

Cherie put the liar in Blair. This woman is a total effing farce and politically dumb as a bag of hammers.
29

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

05/07/2009 02:30:45
#28 Fifi la Bonbon,

Is the #1 you critisized at #6 a Nationalist "Loyalist" or a sycophantic half-wit?
30

donald,

glasgow 05/07/2009 02:53:26
Grey's Babes can't stop making fools of themselves by their silly knee jerk reactions to their ignorance and hatred of anything the SNP proposes.
31

Fifi la Bonbon,

05/07/2009 03:03:33
#35 - I was quoting #26's deathless prose - I wouldn't dream of using such language myself.
32

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Electric Hermit,

05/07/2009 03:30:21
19
Fitba Krazy

"Why do people wrongly assume this is about making it easy for criminals?"

Because they don't think. It's as simple as that.

34

Electric Hermit,

05/07/2009 03:34:12
30
Cracker06

"Remember this is a woman who stated that suicide bombers felt they had "no hope but to blow themselves up"."

And what? You think blowing yourself up is a career move?

35

Electric Hermit,

05/07/2009 03:37:22
30
Cracker06

"Also, she believed that whenever possible women should not be sent to jail as it's bad for the family - it appears that in her thinking men being sent to the prison for the same crimes is fine for families."

In what proportion of families is the man the primary carer?

In what proportion of families is the woman the SOLE carer?

36

Electric Hermit,

05/07/2009 03:49:32
Unlovable as she may be, Cherie Blair is certainly qualified to offer an opinion in this matter. It is refreshing to see people rise above partisan politics in this way.

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Electric Hermit,

05/07/2009 04:03:57
43
Sorry Suzanne

You and Fifi should get together. Pair of slavering lackwits.

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05/07/2009 04:11:37
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05/07/2009 04:16:09
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05/07/2009 04:56:57
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on holiday in Scotland,

Bad Marienberg 05/07/2009 06:27:21
It's plainly interesting to read this kind of late-night communication for reasons of style, never mind the subject ... :-)
43

Tartan Bond,

05/07/2009 06:36:28
Sorry Suzanne # 47

Glasgow Rangers supporters votes also. The pink pound is King and Queen at Ibrox.
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05/07/2009 06:41:05
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Graecus,

Java 05/07/2009 07:09:00
Okay, if the prisons are full up and the regime in Edinburgh doesn't want to utilise a few of those barren islands like Rockall to house the overspill anti-socials, just restore corporal punishment.
A sound thrashing doesn't just inflict well-deserved pain but exposes the crims as objects of public ridicule and contempt, which is what they ought to be.
46

i wear trousers not a skirt,

VOTING NEW LABOUR OUT 05/07/2009 07:13:52
Cherie blair is a bigot and is a member of opus dei .I dont care what she says or her hen-pecked husband tony liar blair has too say.
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05/07/2009 07:46:05
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scottishcoffindodgerno1,

Tram City 05/07/2009 08:44:02
I would like to point out to those of you who are getting their n***kers in a twist that these are PROPOSALS,they have not yet been passed by the parliament
49

The Saltire,

05/07/2009 08:48:06
1

Like her husband for example? or 30 years of new Lyebour government?
50

The Saltire,

05/07/2009 08:55:53
53

Yes of course and all of us disenchanted Independence supporters will now embrace Federation as the only true alternative.
Far be it for me to wake you from your delusional trance.
51

dunedin bully wee 1877,

05/07/2009 09:06:05
If the Labourites in Westminster implement the Blair/MacAskill proposals it will be interesting to observe how their lapdogs in Holyrood attempt to spin their way around their inevitable policy u-turn.

“We were in favour of these proposals all the time, and the media obviously misinterpreted our position”.

52

mr broon,

Edinburgh 05/07/2009 09:07:12
In 2007, the Ministry of Justice for England and Wales set up a Commission to look into prison sentencing because of the massive numbers of prisoners serving 6 months, or less, mainly for very trivial offences.

It found that the vast majority of countries in the EU
do not clog up their prisons with short term prisoners but use alternative non-custodial means of punishment which work very well.

This committee included a large number of legal experts headed by Cherie Blair who is one of England's leading, and highest paid, barristers.

The findings of the sentencing committee are not Cherie Blair's personal opinions but those of the group of experts as a whole based on the evidence collected from many countries.

The findings are only advisory.

53

EdwinB,

Glasgow 05/07/2009 09:13:06
As a QC Cherie Blair is fully entitled to give her opinion on this - and a grown-up society would accept that the wife of a former leader of the Labour Party can praise an SNP move when it makes sense.

It's how much of Europe works.

54

frank mcbride,

lusitania 05/07/2009 09:16:16
#53, Rules........

I hold no brief for Cherie Blair, nor do I hold one for Henry McLeish, but you suggestion about Blair and AS is, simply, bile and smear.

The fact of the matter, in this article, is that two (2) reports have been published; one into Scottish penal policy, the other into that in England.
Both have come to the same conclusion, that short-term sentences are not effective, for the most part.

These Reports, arrived at by expert panels, confirm the SNP proposals on sentencing.

That Blair and McLeish presented these Reports is coincidental to their membership of NuLabour, but is, nevertheless, enlightening in view of the responses made by NuLabour MSPs who, according to McLeish, have not taken the trouble to read the Report before damning it.
55

Electric Hermit,

05/07/2009 09:20:57
58
dunedin bully wee 1877

"...the Blair/MacAskill proposals..."

Cherie Blair had nothing to do with drafting the proposals.
56

Observer,,

Glasgow 05/07/2009 09:24:46
14 Fifi la bonbon. You are the one who appears to have her hands on the cheap booze, sitting up all night posting utter drivel.

You really are a patronising idiot. It would help you, if you wanted to give the impression that you knew what you were talking about, if you did a bit of research on the matter.

The SNP's policy is actually based on the Prison Commission's review, which was chaired by Henry McLeish, a former Labour First Minister.

What the SNP are saying is that judges should not be issuing sentences of less than six months unless it is unavoidable because there is empirical evidence to show that short sentences don't work.

Although Scottish jails contain more people per head of population than any other European country, the re-offending rates show that this ''lock 'em up'' policy that you support isn't working.

Nearly half of those given custodial sentences in 2006-7 had already been in prison at least three times, and nearly one in six more than ten times. More than two-thirds of offenders who do time are re-convicted within two years of release. It's a revolving door.
57

morris,

edinburgh 05/07/2009 09:24:52
5

If Cherie Blair backs such a policy in Scotland it is obvious that she would presumably also do so in England and Wales and Northern Ireland , should such a policy ever come into being.

Whilst what you say may be true upon occasion,its only until its NOT true, and becomes an opportune rather than factually based opinion.
She will presumably be everywhere potentially at some stage and considering hubby was raised in Duddingston, an appearance in Edinburgh is more than likely.
I am not a big fan of Cherie Blair either,but credit is due here,because she speaks out and gives a controversial opinion in a similar manner to Bendy's husband did in an Edinburgh lecture over the devolution v independence argument.

Labours biggest problem is they think its acceptable to pretend to be providing good governance and having a gormless pair of plodders like Broon & Darling running the show becomes desirable because the Labour Party Press Releases say so.
If Broon thinks he can avoid the hiding of a lifetime when he does eventually go to the polls ,he is an even bigger plodder than I accuse him of being.
I can only say even if you disagree with Cherie Blair, you should acknowledge that she showed some courage in daring to say so! I do,and I am no fan of either Blair.
58

Observer,,

Glasgow 05/07/2009 09:32:55
#65. Some 58% of offenders who get a community sentence do not re-offend within two years, compared with only 26% of those released from prison sentences of less than six months. Yet over 80% of prison sentences currently being imposed by courts are for less than six months.

And the number of people locked up has grown by more than 20% since the start of the 21stC, increasing from an average daily population of 5,833 in 200-1 to 7183 in 2006-7. This gives Scotland the highet incarceration rate in Europe.

Given these facts it is no wonder that nearly everyone connected with the Justice system agrees that short sentences don't work.

Any major change in penal policy which can be portrayed by people like you as being soft on crime is going to cause controversey. The SNP and Kenny Macaskill are to be congragulated for their political courage in taking on this issue in the face of massive ignorance and knee jerk reaction from idiots like you.
59

morris,

edinburgh 05/07/2009 09:34:32
63 I hope you are not a chef !

Please enlighten us.

What do CB and AS have in common then?
60

Electric Hermit,

05/07/2009 09:34:47
68
It Came From Outer Space

Your ability to repeat inanities parrot-fashion having been proved, do you have anything of substance to say about the topic?

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dunedin bully wee 1877,

05/07/2009 09:36:37
64 Electric Hermit

“Cherie Blair had nothing to do with drafting the proposals.”

That is a rather bold statement.

As I understand it Cherie Blair headed the “sentencing committee”.

Why therefore would she “have nothing to do” with the publishing of their findings?
62

Stan Butler,

05/07/2009 09:37:01


'Cherie is a leading Silk specialising in public law, human rights, media and information law, employment law and European Community law.'



That's her profile on the Matrix Chambers website.

No mention of criminal law.

63

Observer,,

Glasgow 05/07/2009 09:42:20
73 Do you support incarcerating more people per head of population than any other European country then Stan ? Do tell.
64

Electric Hermit,

05/07/2009 09:42:37
72
dunedin bully wee 1877

"As I understand it Cherie Blair headed the “sentencing committee”."

Cherie Blair is not now, nor has she ever been, a member of the Scottish Prison Commission.

65

Soosider,

Glasgow 05/07/2009 09:42:57
There is a fundamental lack of consistant logic that runs throughout this article, the very selective use of statistics are in fact pointless, to only highlight one years figures without comparing them with any other periods is frankly pointless. It is required to have data from a prolonged period, the longer the better, to be able to make comparisons and spot trends. Had the "journalist" been bothered to use more stats from yesterdays article it would have demonstrated that the issue of 6 month sentences has been consistent at least since 2003.
How does a story about Cherie Blair and Henry Mcleish supporting the SG proposals become a story that is essential a rehash of yesterdays main scare story.
Are Labour not in a contradictory position, they bemoan large prison population, bemoan building more prisons, bemoan any changes to sentencing policy, bemoan any extension of community service, bemoan increased police numbers. OK we get what you are against but what are you actually in support of?
The prize goes to anyone who can clearly articulate what Labour in Scotlands policy is on criminal justice, the hard bit is to articulating a policy that is not just to oppose what ever the other lot are doing. No is not a policy.
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Electric Hermit,

05/07/2009 09:47:20
76
Soosider

"OK we get what you are against but what are you actually in support of?"

Good question.

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Harry Shanks,

Rutherglen 05/07/2009 09:51:11
Reports are coming in that Iain Gray has been rushed to St Twitchin's Hospital after reading of the Cherie Blair and Henry McLeish support for SNP policy.

Mr Gray, also known as "Uncle Tom" , was found slumped in his armchair, apparently completely unable to control his left eye. Slow, slurred, and repetative speech patterns together with poor congitive abilities gave immediate cause for concern.

As reaction from MSPs trickled in, one MSP who wishes only to be identified as Alex, told the Scotsman that such behaviour from Mr Gray is, in fact, nothing unusual. "The twitching and tics are all perfectly normal for Iain, sometimes he reminds me of Herbert Lom as Commander Dreyfuss in the Pink Panther movies".

Another fellow MSP Bill Aitken, took time off from addressing the 75th Annual Hanging, Flogging, Caning and Birching Festival, to wish Mr Gray a speedy recovery.

Mr Gray 82, is 25th in command of the Labour Party in Scotland

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dunedin bully wee 1877,

05/07/2009 09:53:03
75 Electric Hermit

“Cherie Blair is not now, nor has she ever been, a member of the Scottish Prison Commission”

Quite so.

All the more reason to be interested in the fact that the Commission which she did head reached similar conclusions.
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Stan Butler,

05/07/2009 09:54:45

74 Observer


My views on such matters will not be influenced by anything Cherie Blair has to say.

The fact she may be a 'top QC' is irrelevant. She has no more knowledge or experience of the subject than most people, and a good deal less than many people.


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Stan Butler,

05/07/2009 09:57:12
78 Vista

'Has anybody ever paid any attention to Cherry Blair????'


I believe that Fat N'Eck Salmond was prepared to pay lots of money to obtain an opinion from her.

Mind you, it wasn't his own money, it was ours that he used.


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dunedin bully wee 1877,

05/07/2009 10:00:11
81 Stan Butler


Cherie Blair was hardly working on this report in isolation.

The Commission was set up by.......................The Labour Party.
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morris,

edinburgh 05/07/2009 10:00:23
78 There are 83 comments on the board .That would appear to be a yes then?
73

Unimpressed one,

05/07/2009 10:01:34
The Blair Bitch project - never underestimate a woman.
74

Observer,,

Glasgow 05/07/2009 10:01:43
81 My opinions aren't influenced by Cherie Blair either. But I am fairly positive that you are quite aware that a large proportion of Scotland's prison population shouldn't be there, and are in fact being locked up because society doesn't know what else to do with them.

Considering that the Review which made these proposals was chaired by Henry McLeish a former Labour First Minister, and is supported by the ex Prime Minister's wife, it is rather a pity that we can't get some cross party consensus on the issue isn't it.

I don't think we should be making penal policy into a political football.
75

Electric Hermit,

05/07/2009 10:04:21
82
Stan Butler

Money spent challenging the British Labour Party's illegal warmongering is money well spent.

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Stan Butler,

05/07/2009 10:08:14
83 dunedin

'Commission was set up by.......................The Labour Party.'


Was it really????

I thought it was set up by the Howard League for Penal Reform.

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morris,

edinburgh 05/07/2009 10:08:28
79 Highly amusing !

Interestingly enough Henry McLeish was another one!
Apparently he stopped twitching when he told the truth, well that's what I have heard anyway. Of course Henry managed to avoid ever doing so long enough to ever test the theory properly.
It must be a lonely place being defender of the indefensible.
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Harry Shanks,

Rutherglen 05/07/2009 10:18:35
#63

What a scurrilous comment:

Cherie isn't THAT fat.

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Harry Shanks,

Rutherglen 05/07/2009 10:19:54
....OOPS

I meant #92


tee hee
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Tris,

05/07/2009 10:29:23
#1 Most of what she has backed in the past 15 years or so has been New Labour and her husband, so maybe you'll want to revisit that opinion.

On this occassion, however, it is worth asking about the Labour position:

"Scottish Labour insists that the proposals will allow hundreds of dangerous criminals to "dodge jail", leaving communities prey to violent offenders."

....and ask the question, why, under Labour's plans, would these hundreds of dangerous criminals be liable for sentences of under 6 months, and what good would it do them to be in prison. If they are dangerous should not their sentences be far longer and some sort of work be done on their "danger" aspect before they are let loose?

It seems that a lot of what Labour does in Scotland is provide an opposition for the sake of providing an opposition, pretty much regardless of how much sense any of it makes. If the government says "black", they will, as a matter of course, say "white".

This is not what we pay them for and it's not good for Scotland. They need to grow up.

# 82 As far as Salmond paying Blair for this opinion, I'm not sure where that came from. According to the article:

"The report by the Commission on English Prisons, headed by Blair, said Scotland "has taken a courageous lead in the UK by taking serious steps to address its prisons crisis"."

I'm pretty sure that we didn't pay for a report on English Prisons....but perhaps you know better.

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dunedin bully wee 1877,

05/07/2009 10:30:34
92 sm753

Well up to your usual standard of debate and political discourse.

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mr broon,

Edinburgh 05/07/2009 10:32:05
According to The Council of Europe legal statistics table there are many other countries which have larger prison populations than Scotland?

There are many countries which have larger long-term
prison populations per 100,000 of the population than Scotland including Poland, Turkey, the Russian Federation, and England and Wales.

According to The Council of Europe, unlike other countries the vast majority of people being held in Scottish prisons are only there for a very short period, for very minor offences.

The problem in Scotland is that on a DAILY basis its Courts send more people to prison for very short sentences of 6 months and under. It is the massive turnover of minor offenders that is clogging up Scottish prisons.

According to The Council of Europe, many of these young and old short-term offenders are drug addicts, alcoholics, mentally ill, rough sleepers, disabled, and educationally subnormal.

However, according to The Council of Europe, which in the past has voiced serious concerns to the UK Government, Scottish Courts hand out some of the most draconian, long-term sentences for serious crime, anywhere in Europe.
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Stan Butler,

05/07/2009 10:33:45

How to reform the prison system.


1. Decriminalise the supply of drugs. Have the state control the market. Result: abolition of illegal drug market and the enormous amount of criminality it involves. Downside: end of job creation scheme with lots of polis, lawyers, social workers etc etc having to be redeployed into something more worthwhile.

2. Reintroduce the concept of hard labour as an alternative to ordinary prison time. On conviction the prisoner is offered, at the judge's discretion, two tariffs, one of hard labour one of ordinary prison regime. For example 12 months hard labour or 36 months ordinary time. The prisoner makes the choice and in doing so waives any right to claim for breaches of human rights. Result: An overall reduction in the length of time people spend in prison therefore a fall in prison numbers.




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Fitba Krazy,

05/07/2009 10:37:26
27 and 28 Fifi La BonBon

I couldn't be bothered with your nonsense and went for a sleep, that's why I didn't get back.

It is embarrassing for the Labour Party because she is married to Tony Blair.

Your assertion at that point that the only people attacking Cherie Blair are SNP supporters is also nonsense as proven by #1.
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Mcsnagpile,

05/07/2009 10:37:33
One thing about criminals they have proven to be an excellent recession proof resource for many a long year. Criminals should get paid for their contribution to a plethora of services. Criminals should realise their political clout and go on strike and threaten the livelihoods of thousands—including journalists. Politicians and over paid wearers of the silk.
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Stan Butler,

05/07/2009 10:38:06
100 Tris


Fat N'Eck Salmond took legal advice from Booth, or at least from her chambers, on indicting Tony Blair over Iraq.

He paid for the advice with taxpayers' money.

Surely you were aware of that?


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Electric Hermit,

05/07/2009 10:48:34
100
Tris

"# 82 As far as Salmond paying Blair for this opinion, I'm not sure where that came from. According to the article:"

That's just the Tory/BLP numpty, Stan Butler, getting his topics confused again. The fool was referring to the fact that Salmond and a few other people got together to get a legal opinion on impeaching Tony "The Weasel" Blair for his part in engineering the illegal invasion of Iraq. The work went to Matrix Chambers. And Salmond claimed the cost as expenses.

Sane, decent people applaud Salmond's effort. Then there's Simple Stan....

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English Voice,

05/07/2009 10:51:40
106. Stan - great post!

The SNP's use of Matrix chambers for legal advice regarding the impeachment of Tony Blair over the Iraq war is clearly relevant to Cherie Blair backing the SNP's justice proposals and rubbishing Labour's opposition to them.
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Electric Hermit,

05/07/2009 10:58:45
108
English Voice

The truly sad thing is that you actually believe that drivel.

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Cracker06,

Livingston 05/07/2009 10:59:21
#41

"Also, she believed that whenever possible women should not be sent to jail as it's bad for the family - it appears that in her thinking men being sent to the prison for the same crimes is fine for families."

In what proportion of families is the man the primary carer?

In what proportion of families is the woman the SOLE carer?

So Hermit being a mother should allow you to escape imprisonment for crimes you have committed. Doesn't say much them as carers - I would think it would do kids some good to get away from such a person and be with people who actually believe in law and order.
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Tartan Bond,

05/07/2009 10:59:43
Rangers Supporters Union # 67

Rangers supporters calling other people scum is a contradiction in terms; with the emphasis on "moron."
Your people can't go anywhere without causing trouble, Manchester, Barcelona, Pamplona; there is an ever growing list. "Loco" is how your Klan are described in Barcelona.

Your diatribe above speaks volumes about your mentality and the SNP that you support. I am sure that you would support any party that ensured that you never got another six month sentence again.
You read like a sex offender who had a hard time in prison.
Salmond loves having people like you among his support...
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Electric Hermit,

05/07/2009 11:02:27
110
Cracker06

"So Hermit being a mother should allow you to escape imprisonment for crimes you have committed."

Try to remember that is was you who said that.

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English Voice,

05/07/2009 11:02:53
109. Leccy Hermy

too true. Me and Stan both think that who the SNP used for advice on the totally unrelated parliamentary impeachment relating to the Iraq war clearly reduces the possible humiliation of Iain Gray by one of the most prominent Labour Party lawyers backing the SNP plans and slapping down misrepresentation.
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Electric Hermit,

05/07/2009 11:06:45
113
English Voice

"Leccy Hermy"

Yet another simpleton opts out of the discussion.

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Fitba Krazy,

05/07/2009 11:08:03
109 Electric Hermit,

I think English Voice is extracting the U, as Jim Baxter would put it.
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Stan Butler,

05/07/2009 11:10:13
108 English Voice


Not for the first time you have rather missed the point.

My comment about Fat N'Eck Salmond using tax payers money to obtain legal advice from Cherie Booth was in response to someone who asked

''Has anybody ever paid any attention to Cherry Blair????'


I was merely pointing out that people have paid attention (and money, our money) to her.

Capisce?


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Electric Hermit,

05/07/2009 11:11:16
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Fitba Krazy

"I think English Voice is extracting the U, as Jim Baxter would put it."

If it can't manage the simple courtesy of addressing contributors by their chosen username, it deserves only to be ignored.

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Tris,

05/07/2009 11:13:04
#106. Stan. Salmond (along with others) took advice from the chambers that Booth works for. It's hardly the same as taking advice from her (they are big places, and she is there on a very very part-time basis). However, that has nothing to do with the current situation when Booth chaired the committee looking into prison reform in England, and has (with the rest of her committee) seen fit to praise the Scottish Government's proposals. The connection between the two is tenuous to say the least.


#107 Hermit. Thanks, yes I agree, as do many proper Labour people. I'm pretty sure that Tony Benn and his like would be happy to see Blair got to prison (for a lot longer than 6 months) for the misery he brought to hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, and the deaths and maiming of British troops in a totally needless war which has profted Haliburtons, and pretty much only Haliburtons. So not all bad. Dick Cheney is serveral millions richer....
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English Voice,

05/07/2009 11:13:36
116. Stan

great post - as Cherie Blair wasn't involved in the impeachment advice to the SNP/ Plaid, one might wonder as to the actual point of your post, but I will not assist the feral cyber gnats in pondering it too much.

Similarly, you claiming that people do in fact pay attention to Cherie Blair, and the SNP paid her for advice (even though they didn't) would just seem to add further credibility to her denounciation of Gray's line on justice reforms discussed in the article?
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English Voice,

05/07/2009 11:15:30
117. Dear Electric Hermit

I am mortified that my abbreviation of your moniker has caused such umbridge.

As for "it deserves only to be ignored." was your 114 the first non-salvo of my blanking? :-)

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Fitba Krazy,

05/07/2009 11:16:01
Electric Hermit 117

"If it can't manage the simple courtesy of addressing contributors by their chosen username, it deserves only to be ignored."

You could also try laughing at it instead.
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Electric Hermit,

05/07/2009 11:16:44
118
Tris

"...proper Labour people."

We tend to forget they exist.

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Tris,

05/07/2009 11:19:11
#116. Do you have any evidence that Booth had any input to the advice given to Salmond and others for the £700 fee that the chambers she belongs to got from him?

Incidentally, do you have any idea what chambers it was that mr Matin used when he spent hundreds of thousands of pounds of the tax payers' money to try to exclude MPs, and himself, form the Freedom of Information Act, so that we wouldn't find out how much they had all been fiddling?
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English Voice,

05/07/2009 11:19:48
116. Stan

does Cherie Blair masquerade under the pseudonym "Rabinger Singh QC" - for it appears that said Singh was who the SNP paid for legal advice in the matter of impeachment....

This would somewhat underminde your odd claim they paid Cherie Blair. However, as your claim was a confabulation, made up and totally inaccurate, I must congratulate your Unionist fervour and strategy!
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Electric Hermit,

05/07/2009 11:19:54
121
Fitba Krazy

"You could also try laughing at it instead."

I don't find it amusing. Addressing contributors by their chosen username is a basic courtesy. Those who cannot manage this don't deserve to be part of the discussion.

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English Voice,

05/07/2009 11:21:39
123. Tris

yes - the SNP/ Plaid paid for the services of Rabinger Singh, QC - clearly a cryptic anagram or cover identity for Cherie Booth, QC.

=====================================
Gaurdian, June 18th

The first minister and the Plaid Cymru MP were among a group of nationalist MPs who all submitted claims for hiring Rabinder Singh QC, one of the UK's leading experts on human rights law, when they tried but failed to impeach Blair for war crimes in 2004.
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English Voice,

05/07/2009 11:22:03
125. Do dry up.
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English Voice,

05/07/2009 11:23:50
116. Stan says "My comment about Fat N'Eck Salmond using tax payers money to obtain legal advice from Cherie Booth was in response to someone who asked"

But as they hired Rabinger Singh, QC, and paid Cherie Blair not a penny, we feel another great Unionist fabulation, fantasy, untruth and misdirection has been achieved!

Avanti Unionist Accuracy!
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English Voice,

05/07/2009 11:28:25
Cber Unionists - Busting Our Own Myths!
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Tris,

05/07/2009 11:29:31
122..Electric Hermit

Yes, it's true, but they still exist. Claire Short, Tony Benn (who pointed out on an interview the other day that in many ways Churchill was to the left of new Labour), and of course the great Dennis Skinner.
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Tartan Bond,

05/07/2009 11:31:43
I suspect that the opinion was asked of Matrix Chambers in the hope of embarrassing Cherie Booth QC and Tony Blair. Salmond playing politics.
No doubt Cherie Booth saw the potential trap and so Rabinder Singh QC got the brief.
Good try Salmond, but, a little too transparent.
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English Voice,

05/07/2009 11:35:14
131. Tartan Bond

great post. Such a pity that Blair and New Labour sought the legal advice on the legality of the war from the Attorney General and have oddly, carelessly and weirdly refused to publish the first set of advice, along with the Cabinet minutes relating to it, despite being ordered repeatedly to do by the Information Commissioner. Surely just a minor bureaucratic snafu?


New Labour - All About Freedom of Information, since 1997
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Electric Hermit,

05/07/2009 11:37:11
130
Tris

"Yes, it's true, but they still exist. Claire Short, Tony Benn (who pointed out on an interview the other day that in many ways Churchill was to the left of new Labour), and of course the great Dennis Skinner."

All fine. But I was referring to ordinary party members/supporters rather than luminaries. We see all too little evidence of such "proper Labour people" in this place - beset as we are by the mindlessly strident apologists for the Holyrood Tory/BLP alliance.

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English Voice,

05/07/2009 11:38:21
131 "No doubt Cherie Booth saw the potential trap "

yes, impeaching one's husband for war crimes would be clearly constitute a subtle, cunning trap that only the wiliest would see and avoid....

Acting as counsel against your own husband would of course not present an obvious conflict of interests preventing anyone taking such a brief, but I prefer the wild fabulation and fantasy that the SNP hoped to ensnare Cherie into unknowingly trying to impeach her own hubby!

Avanti Unionist Spin! We are like rotary clothes-lines in a high wind today!
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Tartan Bond,

05/07/2009 11:43:14
English Voice # 135

"impeaching one's husband for war crimes," it didn't happen though, did it?
Tony Blair is just one of a number of highly visible individuals who have not been indicted for war crimes, nor will be. In case you are unaware, it is usually the losers in a conflict who pay the price.
It is known as victors justice.

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Observer,,

Glasgow 05/07/2009 11:45:19
''It is known as victors justice.''

Correct.

What's the matter Tartan Bond you made a good and reasonable point. Are you feeling OK ?
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Tartan Bond,

05/07/2009 11:49:02
Observer # 137

My points are always reasonable, whether one gets that is just a matter of perspective.
Feeling great thanks, but, the day is young...
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Tartan Bond,

05/07/2009 11:59:08
Tartan Bonds # 139

NEWS "Rangers supporter attacks citizen in cyber fakery" NEWS

You proved earlier on that you are slime, now you are gilding the lily.
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Tartan Bond,

05/07/2009 12:02:48
Tartan Bonds # 142

You have just got up the trumpet of everyone in Paisley called Peter.

Good luck!
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Tartan Bond,

05/07/2009 12:03:59
Tartan Bonds # 143

It is your head that is full of it, splendid.

Good Luck.
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The Ayrshire Bard,

05/07/2009 12:07:53
Watch the criminals leave court having been given community service rather than a prison sentence. They're laughing all over their faces because they know they've got away with it.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 05/07/2009 12:09:51
Tartan Bond I see your mentalist fakey has arrived. Not much point in trying to talk to it, it's a nutter.

Hopefully the mods will wipe it out - again.
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Electric Hermit,

05/07/2009 12:13:28
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Tartan Bond

The fact that you respond to the idiot imposter makes you just as much of an idiot.

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05/07/2009 12:15:29
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The Ayrshire Bard

"They're laughing all over their faces because they know they've got away with it."

Then explain why community service is more successful in preventing re-offending.

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daveserviceman,

edinburgh 05/07/2009 12:23:49
One way to solve it deport all prisoners to somalia and let them get on with it there
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Electric Hermit,

05/07/2009 12:25:13
162
daveserviceman

With buffoons like you and Fifi around it is just as well we have an SNP government looking for PRACTICAL solutions.

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Stan Butler,

05/07/2009 12:26:38

As a (founder) member of the Matrix chambers Cherie Booth would have benefited financially from the fees incurred by SNP, PC and Tory MPs, and paid for by the taxpayer, for what was a party political stunt.

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Electric Hermit,

05/07/2009 12:32:05
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Stan Butler

"As a (founder) member of the Matrix chambers Cherie Booth would have benefited financially from the fees incurred by SNP, PC and Tory MPs..."

What Tory MPs?

Nah! Don't bother! You are the only fool pathetic enough to still be obsessing about this. And the only obsessive foolish enough to imagine your witless babbling will distract from the latest embarrassment for the Tory/BLP alliance.



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Harry10,

Doncaster 05/07/2009 12:41:42
Lawyers collect theire vastly inflated fees from criminals being on the streets not locked up in jail, remember that.I personaly would not take any notice whatsover of of either Cherie or Tory Bliar.
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Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 05/07/2009 12:54:12
Of course if Cherie Blair had been against the SNP government policy all the unionists Uncle toms on here would have been just as dismissive of Mrs Blair ,am I right????

as I have said many times if the SNP recommended healthy diet and excercise for the nation theses people would still try to find a negative.
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blackley,

Edinburgh 05/07/2009 13:18:19
Cherie has boosted Labour's prospects by this latest outpouring. On the one hand, Blair's regime is now discredited in most people's minds. On the other, it's all very well for her living in luxury. The rest of us have to put up with this scum on our streets and in our houses. What happened to Tough On Crime?
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Electric Hermit,

05/07/2009 13:21:49
173
spagan

Well said!

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Observer,,

Glasgow 05/07/2009 13:24:25
174 In reality this would lead to longer sentences for people who commit serious crimes like house breaking. The judge is going to need to decide whether he wants to impose a custodial sentence or a community sentence. If he is going to impose a custodial it will be for six months or longer, currently that is not always the case.

And if the prisons are not full up of people who pose no risk and haven't committed a serious crime, then the presumption of automatic early release can be reviewed as well.

Now how is that being soft on crime ?
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Tartan Bond,

05/07/2009 13:27:32
Observer # 176

Thanks for your support earlier and for the sort of back-handed from the Electric Hermit too.
Cheers, I owe you both a drink.
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Electric Hermit,

05/07/2009 13:28:21
174
blackley

"What happened to Tough On Crime?"

If you genuinely imagine this is about leniency towards criminals, then you simply haven't understood the proposals.

It is about EFFECTIVE ways of dealing with offenders. It is not about satisfying the basest instincts of reactionary simpletons who can't see beyond doing more of what has been proven to be, not only ineffective, but counter-productive.

Dolts like you want harsher treatment of offenders, not because it works, but because it makes you feel good. Pandering to such self-indulgent folly is not a sound basis for policy-making.

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Glasgow 05/07/2009 13:30:06
177 No problem, just ignore it in the future 'though please (I've made the same mistake myself in the past, it's not worth attempting to engage with it).
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Tartan Bond,

05/07/2009 13:32:27
Observer # 179

You can't reason with a sick mind.
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Stan Butler,

05/07/2009 14:02:40
169 Electric Hermit,


'What (sic) Tory MPs?'

Douglas Hogg and Edward Garnier.

The display of ignorance from the gnats continues.

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Electric Hermit,

05/07/2009 14:36:06
182
Stan Butler

I freely admit that I was not aware of the two Tory MP's involvement. Not that it makes any difference. what should be questioned is the craven cowardice of the MPs who failed to pursue the warmonger Blair and his accomplices.

I am delighted to discover that Douglas Hogg and Edward Garnier did the honourable thing, in honourable company.

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Tris,

05/07/2009 16:04:57
#178,179,180

Until this filth is removed I'm out of here.

I'm sick to the back teeth of reading stuff that disgusts me.

You don't get this on any other site at all.

It's disgrace to Scotland.
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Electric Hermit,

05/07/2009 16:08:13
182
Tris

I'm beginning to feel the same way.

www.electric.hermit.com

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2Right,

On Location 05/07/2009 16:35:08
We heard the other day in the Scotsman that Judges in Scotland are just handing out 7 month sentences instead of 6, so what is all the fuss over.

What steps will MacAskill take to deal with such Judges, who after all are just undermining his position by their actions.
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Scunner,

Aberdeen 05/07/2009 16:38:50
I don't care what she thinks. She can keep her opinions to herself. She doesn't reside in this country and I think most Scots hate her due to her husband starting a war that should not have happened.
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Electric Hermit,

05/07/2009 16:49:00
180
2Right

"What steps will MacAskill take to deal with such Judges, who after all are just undermining his position by their actions."

I don't see why this should be happening. It's not as if six month sentences have been banned. It may well be that there are cases where such a sentence is deemed the most appropriate penalty.

If courts are imposing seven month sentences because they cannot justify six month sentences then this would seem to suggest that non-custodial alternatives are not being properly considered.

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Electric Hermit,

05/07/2009 16:50:28
181
Scunner

"...I think most Scots hate her due to her husband starting a war that should not have happened."

Who would be so daft as to blame her for something her weasel husband did?

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stevek28,

philadlephia 05/07/2009 17:00:53

#73:"Do you support incarcerating more people per head of population than any other European country then Stan ? Do tell."

Just walk through any high street on a Friday or Saturday night.
That's why there are more people per head of population in jail.
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veritas1,

Clack's 05/07/2009 18:22:34
Makes you wonder what all the unionist politicos were duing when they were in power and crime was on the rise
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Electric Hermit,

05/07/2009 18:31:09
185
veritas1

"Makes you wonder what all the unionist politicos were duing when they were in power and crime was on the rise."

Indeed. To hear some of these Tory/BLP alliance types you'd think Kenny MacAskill invented crime. As we all know, it was Maggie Thatcher wot did it.

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IainGlasgow,

05/07/2009 18:39:20
#21

It may interest you to learn the difference between a LAW and a STATUTE that is only GIVEN the FORCE OF LAW throught the CONSENT of the governed.

http://www.bbc5.tv/eyeplayer/articles/john-harris-its-illusion
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

05/07/2009 18:44:33
Had the Blair Witch swooped down to mix a plausibillity potion for the Scottish Unionists.

Telling us that the North sea was half empty, there were no worthwhile untapped reserves, discovered or undiscovered and technology advances and/or rising prices would never happen, rendering currently uneconomic to develop fields, worthless forever...or somesuch.

The usual suspects would be singing her praises, bigging up her credentials, marvelling at her massive intellect and exhibiting cringe-worthy gratitude at her taking time out from her busy schedule to selflessly dole out her pearls of wisdom.

With friends like that...neither Mrs Blair or Scotland have any need for enemies.
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nova albion 3,

05/07/2009 19:17:16
Cherie Blair will do anything and everything she can possibly think of to make a fool of her husband and the party he used to lead. She defends murderers "human rights",but fails to acknowledge the human rights of the victims, as her husband was trying to be "Tough on Crime" she was fighting in court to set them free! If there is conflict to be found cherie Blair will find it and god help Tony!
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nova albion 3,

05/07/2009 19:21:24
186. Do you talk out of your ass all the time,or just on special occasions.
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Electric Hermit,

05/07/2009 19:45:06
189
nova albion 3

You come very close to being the perfect moron. Congratulations!

Human rights are HUMAN rights. The clue is in the name, you moron.

The thing about human rights is they belong to everyone. Even morons like you.

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Ewen Miler,

Wilts 05/07/2009 20:58:01
189

I agree with you regarding criminals!

The SNP look like another set of politicians being soft on crime - like they've all been for the last 30 years.
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Electric Hermit,

05/07/2009 21:25:08
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Ewen Miler

"The SNP look like another set of politicians being soft on crime..."

Another one who hasn't an effin' clue what is going on.

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Soloman,

Stirling 05/07/2009 22:00:21
It's about time that New Labour put the teddy back in the pram and start supporting the common sense ideas that The SNP have been suggesting.

Vote NO for Mandelsons Brown Balls

Break Free
X VOTE SNP X

Independence from Westminster
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Sgian Achlais,

05/07/2009 22:45:15

so the SNp are implementing a policy that is supported by the Prison Commission, Barristers, formed FM, Current FM, the Scottish Governemtn and a whole lot of experts.

Meanwhile the Labour party as ever mislead the people, assisted by their mates in the media(see yesterdays Scotsman) and generally looking stupid.
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Electric Hermit,

05/07/2009 22:52:06
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Sgian Achlais

That about sums it up.

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Phil C,

05/07/2009 23:50:37
I wish she'd back a lorry over that dreadful husband of hers!
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Phil C,

06/07/2009 00:03:25
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Poor old Tony. He tried his best. Sad really!
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suileandubh,

OZ 06/07/2009 02:29:30
Why are so many of you so keen to air your egos? I thought the purpose of these comment sites was basically to encourage political and social debate. How cool is that? Cherie Blair supporting SNP. Makes sense for someone like her no matter what political party her husband once headed. she is intelligent and talented and good on her for being honest enough to come and and do it. Stop whinging.
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Phillip,

06/07/2009 05:15:53
Bring back hanging and beheading as punishments, then apply that to almost every crime. That'll be a good deterrent. Plus, we can start by executing any and every MP who was abusing the expense system. That ought to fix things up nicely.
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langtonian,

uphall 06/07/2009 12:52:10
First minister and the "real SNP" must seriously consider the direction from where a growing amount of SUPPORT is coming from ,to bring to fruition their independance campaign

>Cheri Blair
>Henry Mcleish
>The self declared Republicans,guising as SNP MSPs, who outed themselves when declaring their true colours by their non participation at the ten year celebratory gathering ,attended by The Queen.

Any more strange bedfellows of that ilk will not bode wellfor SNP Independance cherished dreamland
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Electric Hermit,

08/07/2009 13:38:15
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langtonian

Has Cherie Blair declared "SUPPORT" for Scottish independence?

Has Henry McLeish declared "SUPPORT" for Scottish independence?

And what's wrong with being a republican?

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Joe Macdelta.,

13/07/2009 16:18:12
Cherie Blair is not someone one would accept a reference from, this can only harm the SNP, they should ask her to stop this, or action will be taken against her.

 

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