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Published Date: 28 March 2009
A DEAL could be struck to start development on the massive Caltongate site "within weeks", it has emerged today.
The Evening News can reveal that talks are taking place that would see the scheme split into separate developments by different companies under the existing overall masterplan.

Sources close to the talks say there is a growing acceptance that deve
lopment on the site may have to involve several firms.

It is thought that, while some parts of the masterplan would be unlikely to progress in the current market – such as the proposed five-storey office block – other parts could go ahead now.

Hotel giant Accor was already lined up to occupy the proposed five-star 205-room hotel under its Sofitel brand.

It is expected that will mean the hotel aspect would be among the first to be developed.

John Reid, joint administrator at Mountgrange Capital administrator Deloitte, which is now responsible for disposing of the site, said:

"We can't just sit on our hands and wait for the market to improve. We actually have to go ahead and come to decisions and get that moving sooner rather than later – that is probably a matter of weeks."

He added: "A lot of existing stakeholders have got considerable investment so, rather than selling at what might be a bargain basement price, there is the other option of going into partnership with various players rather than just working out the site."

When asked whether that meant that the site could be split and operated by different firms, he said: "We are currently going through an appraisal of the site and of the properties we have and that is an ongoing analysis."

It is understood that former Mountgrange Capital directors Martin Myers and Manish Chande are among those in talks about how to work with others to get the scheme moving.

They have potential funding available to them through a cash-rich fund run by Mountgrange Investment Management, a separate and independent company from Mountgrange Capital.

If the site was split, development could start quicker.

"While all options have to be looked at and considered, I would suspect it is most likely that a development in a form somewhat similar or akin to what was originally envisaged would be the most likely outcome," said Mr Reid.

Graham Birse, deputy chief executive of the Edinburgh Chamber of Commerce, said: "The original development is still valid and we'd like to see it delivered."





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  • Last Updated: 28 March 2009 11:05 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Caltongate development
 
1

alfonsa pedrosa,

embra 28/03/2009 12:14:56
Splinter groups,this will never happen.
2

mad moo,

edinburgh 28/03/2009 12:26:56
What alot of guff!
The masterplan has been shown to be alot of rubbish, along with the unsubstantiated economic benefits......lots of jobs in construction and the office block which it is now admitted will not be happening any time soon!
The land owned by the council must now be retained and put back to productive use bringing much needed revenue to the council - houses on Royal Mile, business space in Canongate Venture and a range of uses for the Market building which forms part of Edinburgh's Common Good assets and the Jeffrey St Arches.

A £100,000 Bond sits in place specifically to landscape the bus depot gap site (previously owned by Mountgrange) and prevent this ugly scar remaining. This could be used by the community to create much needed open space and play facilities. By engaging with community groups a temporary landscape plan could be developed and implemented very quickly whilst providing training opportunities in community development and the landscaping sector and improving the well being of the whole community.

If the Mountgrange owned assets are also to be split up this would provide an opportunity for developers to come up with alternative approaches better suited to the current economic situation - more housing less offices and tourist accommodation or leisure facilities of a more suitable scale.

Lets not forget the largest Stakeholder group is the citizens of Edinburgh the future generations of citizens who will have to live with the results.

Now CEC accept the site may have to be broken up they must also admit thet the masterplan was seriously flawed and the sell off of land to Mountgrange to create a large 'comprehensive' site was wrong.
A new development brief which allows for the phased and incremental development and renovation of the area is needed and should be undertaken in full consultation with the community.
Much of the work needed to develop a new brief has already been done by heritage and community groups and would no
3

mad moo,

edinburgh 28/03/2009 12:29:16

Much of the work needed to develop a new brief has already been done by heritage and community groups and would not need to go through a confrontational planning process or require to be propped up by a £5m PR campaign ( as was the claim by Mountgrange)

A better way is possible as demonstrated by the insightful research undertaken by the Canongate Project last year.

Full details of the Report on the Canongate Project can be found at www.eh8.org.uk
4

PaulB,

Edinburgh 28/03/2009 13:16:33
I had to laugh at the claims made by 'concerned local residents' that the former bus garage was a thriving artistic centre - the area has been a rundown dump for years and demolition and new build is the best thing that could happen - Edinbuburgh is so full of nimbys it is unbelievable. I do hope work starts as soon as possible so the regeneration of this deprived area can start to happen.
5

Mallory,

Edinburgh 28/03/2009 20:02:54
What is the 'hold' that Mountgrange have over the Council - apart from the Trams donation and 100k bond - surely the MG receivership and economic recession offers a great chance to re-evaluate how to use this space for the benefit of the City rather than a London based business?


6

Leila,

Edinburgh 28/03/2009 21:09:39
Well of course the council want something (any rubbish will do) built to provide a contribution to their trams bill.

Are the council in cahoots with the "former Caltongate directors" whose "independent" company sounds barely legal, or are they so thick/naive they can't see they're being taken for a ride?
7

Buttress,

28/03/2009 22:01:33
Unbelievable tripe!

For many and varied reasons connected with planning, viability and EU law, this simply cannot (or should not...) happen.

If the council cannot understand this, the heaven help us!

Anyhow, it was this week reported Sofitel had pulled out, and honestly, I thought the existing conference centres were not getting enough trade?

So the whole thing has to be thrown out...

Moo is right. Use the bond. Any developer with an eye on the site would be well advised to contact the Save Our Old Town organisation, who can fill them in on the legalities of it all.

The council cannot sell off the Cnaongate Venture as a separate site, it has to be all or nothing according to the 'viability' and economic justification' report (a farce) paid for by Historic Scotland - thirteen grand. That was AFTER the council had passed the plans, mind, June 2008 I think, it was a cynical justification of the fact HS had gone along with Mountgrange so that the plans wouldn't be called in

The whole thing stinks.



8

Beachcomber,

Edinburgh 28/03/2009 22:23:03

Mad Moo wrote -

A £100,000 Bond sits in place specifically to landscape the bus depot gap site (previously owned by Mountgrange) and prevent this ugly scar remaining. This could be used by the community to create much needed open space and play facilities. By engaging with community groups a temporary landscape plan could be developed and implemented very quickly whilst providing training opportunities in community development and the landscaping sector and improving the well being of the whole community.

Here's a great way to utilise the Bus Depot gap site.

http://property.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/property/gardens/article5992945.ece
9

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 29/03/2009 02:26:35
where.does.EDINBURGH.get.all.these.so.called.5.star.hotels.with.10.star.prices.and.1star.service
10

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 30/03/2009 10:19:42


This is good news.

While I'm not too happy about this development being split between several companies, the quicker this gap site is built on the better I shall be pleased (I live close to Caltongate).

The idea of using the £100,000 bond to 'green' this area sounds attractive at first sight, but would probably end up by making this ground a gathering point for problem drinkers and drop-outs who already wander about this area and part of town.

 

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