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Published Date: 30 January 2009
PROPOSALS to ensure every household and business in Britain has high-speed internet access by 2012 were condemned yesterday for lacking ambition.
Critics rounded on the government for not going far enough with plans for a "universal service commitment" that would require private firms to supply wired and wireless broadband at speeds up to 2 megabits per second (mbps) – fast enough to watch vid
eos.

They say this would leave the UK falling further behind its industrial rivals – while pointing out that the average download speed in Britain was currently around 3.6 mbps.

Others warned that the moves would simply make it easier to steal music from the internet and share illegal computer files.

The changes, in the interim report Digital Britain by communications minister Lord Carter, would replace BT's obligation to provide a phone line to every UK home, with one to provide broadband.

Jeremy Hunt, the Tory shadow culture secretary, told the Commons that the government's ambitions were "pitifully low" and warned that without a clear commitment to pay for the broadband connections, the proposals were an "empty promise".

He said: "The digital economy is vital for Britain because of our natural strengths in creating digital content, but, when it comes to the delivery of that content, we are lagging badly. We come 21st out of 30 for broadband speed, while 40 per cent of our households do not have broadband at all and connections fell last year. On next generation broadband, the report itself concedes that we are lagging behind France, Germany, the US and Japan."

Liberal Democrat spokesman Don Foster said: "If done properly, 600,000 new jobs could be created in this country, but what have we got? Some vague commitment to a universal 2 megabits per second provision."

Even Labour back-benchers warned that more work was needed to prevent the UK's "digital divide" becoming a chasm.

John Robertson, MP for Glasgow North West and chairman of the all-party group on communications, said Glasgow had the worst take-up of broadband of any UK city. He called on ministers to impose a "social tariff" to ensure disadvantaged residents were not left behind.

He said: "While it is a big step to say that there should be an obligation to provide access to broadband, I fear that this will be rapidly out of date as we see super-fast broadband being brought in and that large sections of the population will be excluded from the revolution."


WHAT NEXT

A MAJOR change in the way Britons listen to the radio is also proposed by the government.

The report suggests all UK stations broadcast only on DAB digital radio by 2015, bringing an end to transmission on FM, medium wave and long wave.

The move would, however, depend on DAB broadcasts accounting for half of all radio listening. DAB would eventually have to reach the 97 per cent of the population provided for by FM, especially for drivers on main roads. At present, DAB is available to 82 per cent of UK residents in their homes.



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  • Last Updated: 29 January 2009 11:29 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Broadband
 
1

allknowing,

30/01/2009 00:08:21
yup, this will help keep the house warm for our old, and teach our kids the 3 R's.

Stop wasting money on cr4p, and start spending it where it counts!
2

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30/01/2009 00:18:04
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3

subrosa,

30/01/2009 00:29:18
This is nonsense and, if the Daily Mail is right, then it will cost each one of us £20.

# 2

Our troops are using cell phones which are at least 6 years old. They're the only army without the most modern communications equipment. The MOD refuse to make funds available as they 'consider the present equipment is fit for purpose'.

I doubt if they'd say that if they were out in Afghanistan under fire and unable to get a radio signal.
4

Vaward,

30/01/2009 04:47:47
#2 You should get out more. Name 10 countries with better Railways, Internet and Economy than Britain. I dare ya.



#3 "They're the only army without the most modern communications equipment. The MOD refuse to make funds available as they 'consider the present equipment is fit for purpose'."

lol where did you read that? The Daily Mail.
5

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30/01/2009 07:04:49
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6

JayJay,

Right here 30/01/2009 09:16:56
I live 12 miles from Glasgow City Centre, so hardly in the middle of nowhere. I can neither receive digital radio nor can I obtain a broadband speed at even close to 1gb (we are apparantly "too far from the exchange" and BT have no plans "ever" to upgrade!). Even more laughable than this is the dreadful mobile phone coverage between Glasgow and Edinburgh.
Having watched people in Paris speaking on their phones in the Underground, it is quite clear that the dark ages will be with us for quite some time in Scotland.
7

Strompy,

30/01/2009 09:45:48
#6 They're the only army without the most modern communications equipment.

Not true, Subrosa

Actually the Army's BOWMAN communication system is brand new, and it cost a whopping 2.5 billion pounds, there has been quite a few problems with it, though. Not really surprising with such a high-tech system. Maybe the fuss made over its teething problems are what you're referring to?

They must have sorted out most of the probs though as the Dutch military have signed up to buy it.
8

broadgait,

gullane 30/01/2009 09:47:50
Another daft Gordon idea, be seen to do something, next he will be insisting all hospitals have sticking plaster available for broken backs.
9

Strompy,

30/01/2009 09:52:20
#6

You can use phones on the London underground. And I'm sure I read you could do the same on the Glasgow Underground, could be wrong about that. Anyways, it's not a great technical leap.

I live in Perth, Western Australia and we would kill for 1g. I pay $100 pm for ADSL2+ internet access up to 20Mbps, yet I'm lucky if Iget 1 mbps lol. Reason apparently being old exchanges.
10

Number 6,

Germany 30/01/2009 10:00:48
#4 Vaward, you need to travel more. For a leading developed nation, Britain is miles behind most of Europe in all fields of technology and infra structure.

British Railways????? You really are having a laugh, they are shocking compared with mainland Europe.

#7.Strompy, Bowman began to be rolled out to the British Army in 2004. It will not be fully implemented until approx 2025 (Latest prediction) by which time of course, it will be out of date compared with other systems.
11

Tormod,

Auld Reekie 30/01/2009 10:10:48
May I ask a humble question, presently there are two ways to get a broadband connection a twisted copper wire using ADSL or fibre optic.

So every dwelling in the UK will have either in place by 2012?

ADSL is limited by the range that the signal can travel from the exchange to the end node around 4-6km.

Fibre is very expensive to lay.
12

Number 6,

Germany 30/01/2009 10:19:59
#11 Your right Tormod, fibre is very expensive to lay.
Yet other countries have gone ahead and laid it
while Britain dithers.
13

Strompy,

30/01/2009 10:38:10
#12

BT has said that 40% for British homes will have 100Mbps fibre optic internet by 2012, this is very competitive on a world scale. Way ahead of Australia and the USA . Not sure how much of this is in Scotland, also not sure what happens if Scotland becomes independent next year, will BT and Virgin and others build anything there?





Can you give me a source on BOWMAN and 2025? Why are the Dutch buying it?
14

Number 6,

Germany 30/01/2009 10:42:55
#13 If Scotland becomes independent then BT or Virgin would built the broadband infra structure IF we give them a contract to do so.

I believe we would.
15

Number 6,

Germany 30/01/2009 10:50:27
#13 Your source :

Procurement history
The concept of Bowman dates from a 1989 UK MoD General Staff Requirement (GSR) for a system to replace the ageing Clansman radio system. The GSR was subsequently modified to accommodate post Cold War scenarios. The procurement programme has had a long and chequered history, with a number of consortia involved in the development and bidding process. This process culminated in the failure in 2000 of the preferred bidder, Archer, to deliver the requirement within budget and on time, and the resultant cessation of the contract by the UK MoD. The subsequent rebidding process for the contract was won by CDC Systems UK Ltd, now General Dynamics United Kingdom Ltd, elements of design and manufacturing have also been sub-contracted to SELEX Communications, ITT Corporation, Harris Corporation, L-3 Communications, DRS Tactical Systems and Thales Group. The procurement cost of the supply and (initial) support phase for Bowman is approximately £1.9 billion and the current acquisition cost of the whole project is £2.4 billion. Bowman’s initial operating capability was delivered into service in March 2004 and will continue in service until approximately 2026. Clansman is the name of a radio system used by the British Army. ... For other uses, see Cold War (disambiguation). ... General Dynamics (NYSE: GD) is a defense conglomerate formed by mergers and divestitures, and as of 2005 it is the sixth largest defense contractor in the world[1]. The company has changed markedly in the post-Cold War era of defense consolidation. ... SELEX Sensors and Airborne Systems (Selex S&AS) is a major avionics joint venture created by the merger of Finmeccanicas Galileo Avionica and BAE Systems Avionics. ... ITT Corporation, NYSE: ITT is a large American manufacturing company. ... Harris Corporation NYSE: HRS is an international communications equipment company that produces wireless equipment, electronic systems, and both terrestrial and spaceborne antenna
16

Strompy,

30/01/2009 10:54:21
hmm. "Bowman’s initial operating capability was delivered into service in March 2004 and will continue in service until approximately 2026."

Number 6 , it says that it will be used by the army up until 2026, at which point a new system will be introduced.

I think you'll find its use is standard across the entire British military now.
17

The Strategist,

30/01/2009 10:56:07
Not a single piece of the technology associated with broadband is produced in the UK. Makes you proud eh.
18

Strompy,

30/01/2009 11:00:38
#17 Our digital satellite boxes here in Oz are all made in the UK, Yorkshire I believe. lol
19

Number 6,

Germany 30/01/2009 11:00:39
#16 Strompy: Can you direct me towards my comment that said Bowman will be replaced in 2026 ?

www.nationmaster.com is my source by the way.

Yes it's use is standard now, and judging from the first hand complaints I 've heard, is proving to be much more problematic than the clansman system it replaced.

As to your query "Why have the Dutch bought it"... I'm
afraid my contacts do not stretch that far.
20

Strompy,

30/01/2009 11:05:31
In post #10 Number 6 said: "It will not be fully implemented until approx 2025 (Latest prediction) by which time of course, it will be out of date compared with other systems."

Yet it is already fully implemented! According to your source.
21

Ron S,

Edinburgh 30/01/2009 11:09:07
1 The report seems to recomend a connection speed of 2Mb/s for all. For those who are interested in the details, the report section on broadband can be found at:
http://www.culture.gov.uk/images/publications/S4_digital_britain_interimreportjan09.pdf

2 Broadband speeds and capacity are frequently written wrongly in newspapers, advertisements etc. Broadband speed (how fast your connection is) is usually expressed in Mb/s (megabits per second) and capacity or allowance (how much you can download in (say) a month) is usually expressed in GB Gigabytes.
22

Strompy,

30/01/2009 11:11:57
#21 Broadband speeds and capacity are frequently written wrongly in newspapers, advertisements etc.

Tell me about, Ron, here in Perth, Western Australia, I ordered 20mbps and get about 1/20th of that.
23

Ron S,

Edinburgh 30/01/2009 11:22:23
#22
20mb/s is a thousand million times slower than 20Mb/s!

But I clearly can't spell recommend!

Seriously though, I think this "up to" 20Mb/s, which is how it is sold, is open to huge abuse by vendors.
Many (most?) people are disappointed by their actual broadband speeds.
24

Tormod,

Auld Reekie 30/01/2009 11:28:14
Ron S, it's a well known problem that a vendor advertises broadband for x amount a month, folk join en masse.

Provider then goes to BT to rent more capacity, mean while the original customers are having line quality and speed problems I wonder why!
25

Strompy,

30/01/2009 11:31:11
"ADSL2+ internet access up to 20Mbps" Well, that is direct off the the Telstra(our largest provider) website, it cost about $100(£45) per month here in Oz. Just looking at the Virgin site, you can get that for £10. Wow, we're getting ripped off here in Australia.
26

Ron S,

Edinburgh 30/01/2009 11:32:33
#24 Don't get me going about contention ratios!
27

Tormod,

Auld Reekie 30/01/2009 11:39:42
26 Ah a man comfortable with the black arts of data comms, a fellow techie I presume?
28

The Strategist,

30/01/2009 11:45:39
#18 ... Satellite TV isn't Broadband!
29

Ron S,

Edinburgh 30/01/2009 11:50:12
#27 Yes. Over a barrel with BT at the moment about the phone line. Intermittent fault, BT visit and fiddle a bit, no improvement. Still lose the connection intermittently (on voice). Report fault again, BT now wants to charge me if the intermittent fault is not present when they call!
30

Strompy,

30/01/2009 11:50:38
#28

lol

It's the same tech. Just ask the techies above.

Soon all internet will be via your TV.

31

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 30/01/2009 12:47:58
Broadband is the new tractors target. Anything to divert attention from a really busted economy. You may ask broadband for what? So we can find out even faster how much we've been conned out of in tax and stupid spending.

If there's a proper economic case for it it will be done. Otherwise it's just central meddling in things he doesn't understand.
32

Ewan Oosami,

30/01/2009 13:18:10
I hope BT aren't involved in this or you would be paying through the nose to a monopoly again. BT are the most hated company in the UK for ripping the public off, it's written in their constitution.
33

Partan,

Fife 30/01/2009 13:27:58
#12
It may be expensive to lay fibre, but they should start by making the developers lay it along with the other services to new housing.
I've a friend who lives on a humungous new development in Dunfermline and they have no access to cable.
34

subrosa,

30/01/2009 13:53:45
# 4

No. I was given that information by a most senior officer in HM Forces who is involved with their communications.

I will not divulge any further information to you.
35

subrosa,

30/01/2009 14:04:03
# 6

The facility to use mobile communications underground has been available for years. It's the lack of interest from the UK government which has not progressed this technology.

# 7

No # 10 gives you accurate information about Bowman. It is unsafe but the MOD insist there is no further funding to upgrade. I'm sure you've read well-informed articles about its use in Afghanistan. The blame lies firmly at the feet of the MOD. The military can only work with the equipment they're given, they get no input into the MOD's choices.


36

Strompy,

30/01/2009 14:43:02
#35

No it's not, Number 6 didn't have a clue what he was talking about.

Besides, you said they had old technology, they don't! It's the latest technology. You look like a fool! Indeed, Both of you look foolish.

Also, I've used a mobile phone on the London underground. So what are you on about?
37

JayJay,

Right here 30/01/2009 16:15:37
#36
I don't have a clue what I am talking about? In what sense?
My broadband speed is terrible - and you can use mobile phones on the Paris underground. I was there last week, and, unless the city is infested with dafties talking to no-one on their phones, they were most certainly talking and texting. As for London, last time I was on the tube (2-weeks ago) you couldn't use a phone on the Central line or the Circle line.
I was on the glasgow Underground yesterday and you most certainly can't use your phone - albeit there are "plans" to introduce the technology.
38

Mr Fuzzy,

Edinburgh 30/01/2009 16:24:14
#2
Taiwan and the Far Eastern countries have higher speed broadband because the majority of the population lives in tower blocks where installing newer cable services simply involves pulling new cables through pre-installed ducting. Here, the cable company won't extend their services to a new subdivision until at least after three years when the "residential population has settled".

#10
Delays in British trains always seemed to be caused by other passengers. The worst time was when a woman thought Virgin's "But two, get one free" offer on tickets meant that she could buy two tickets and get a third one free and not take two journeys and get one free. That held the train up for an hour until the Police were called.
39

nabodican,

Rural Scotland 30/01/2009 16:28:17
Laying fibres is no more expensive than laying any other sort of cable, just dig a hole and drop it in or feed through the sewers or any other pipe.
I can only dream of the speeds being quoted, at best I get 300k.
40

Dogandgoldfish,

30/01/2009 18:57:53

I agree with the comments made by number 1.
Gordon Brown should get his prioities right. Some of our old folk are cold and hungry, what use is broadband to them, none,
41

We7Steve,

London 02/02/2009 05:31:54
I find the report's stance on illegal filesharing disappointing, it does not seem to address the real issues concerned.

In my view the solution to illegal filesharing is good legislation, education and adoption of new legal digital models such as We7's ad funded business.

The music industry has already made significant steps in the last 12 months and getting back on to the 'lets sue the consumer' is a backward proposition.

Steve Purdham
CEO - We7
http://www.we7.com

 

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