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Brian Monteith: Whining over cheap drink isn't the answer

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Published Date: 06 March 2009
WHY is it that some politicians think that if you ban something, or make it more difficult to obtain, people will just shrug their shoulders and comply?
There is no doubt that Scotland as a society has a problem with alcohol, but why, oh why, is it thought that by simply raising the price for the law-abiding majority and by making it harder for us to buy the stuff, those that have little resistance t
o breaking the law already will obey these new regulations, moderate their drinking and pull their punches instead of throwing them?

I regularly visit other countries where alcohol is significantly cheaper, cheaper with Spanish or German taxes paid, than it is at Scottish duty free airport shops – and yet their drink-related violence problems are not in the same league as ours. Also in England, where drink is often cheaper or at least the same price, the problems are less. So what does this tell us?

It says loud and clear that the reason we have a problem is not because of the price or the easy availability of drink (the bars are also open longer in other countries), no, it's because of our cultural attitudes to drink and especially to drunks.

In Scotland, to be drunk – and I don't mean happy, tipsy or merry, I mean aggressively drunk or violently drunk – such a state is often seen as a joke, a laugh and a rite of passage. Well it should not be – it should be a cause of shame.

Unfortunately, we have a society that tries to avoid personal responsibility and absolves people of the shame that used to come from neglecting it. Why, it might breach someone's human rights and offend someone at the United Nations if – in being arrested, convicted, punished and their abhorrent behaviour widely publicised – that aggressive drunks are humiliated by the shame of it all.

There's no shame for politicians to raise the price of cider, vodka and whisky (although ironically not Buckfast) for the rest of us and there will be no shame in drunken louts still getting hold of it in enough quantities to wreak havoc.

The SNP wanted to introduce even tougher laws, such as separate tills for alcohol in shops and preventing even 20-year-olds from buying a six-pack to watch the footie at home. These ideas may be gone for now, but the SNP would dearly love to have been able to introduce such restrictions. Their vision of an independent Scotland looks a very sobering puritanical one run by a Tartan Taliban.

I asked last week that if displaying tobacco at its point of sale is the cause of so many youngsters taking it up, why then do so many young people do illegal drugs that are never seen? The same goes for booze, if the cheap price of alcohol is the cause of so much aggressive drunkenness, why then are so many people willing to pay far greater sums for illegal and harder-to-come-by drugs?

The logical extension of this idiocy is to say that having sweets called wine gums encourages children to want wine. They don't, they just want more wine gums (if they like them at all).

Scotland's alcohol problems are far more complex and demand far more thought than simply putting up prices for the law-abiding majority.

Kenny MacAskill brought shame on his party and the Scottish Parliament by being so drunk on his way to an England versus Scotland match at Wembley that the Metropolitan police had to lift him. The SNP response is shamelessly to make him Justice Minister.

Is it any wonder that our youth of today think ten pints and a barney in Lothian Road is nothing to be ashamed off?

Streets behind
Is it just me or are there other locals that think the trams fiasco has shown us the way to solve our city centre travel problems – by pedestrianising Princes Street?

Whether or not the trams go ahead matters not, is it really an inconvenience having the buses going along George Street? On the journeys I've made I found no appreciable difference. Indeed, it seems to me George Street has become a far livelier place while Princes Street's potential as one of the most attractive shopping streets in the world can now be taken advantage of.

Of course, Princes Street shops might not like the idea at first, but if the street was to be properly pedestrianised with attractive facilities, including some cafe seating and flowerbeds, would it not be a boulevard to die for?

We could remove the street furniture and unattractive clutter making it people-friendly again. Flat, level pavements could be laid with space to walk without fear of falling in front of the number 26.

I think we need a campaign – maybe we should ask Iain Lutton and his mates in Leith if, after their welcome success in fighting Forth Ports, they might do the same to our unimaginative council.







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  • Last Updated: 06 March 2009 9:27 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Brian Monteith
 
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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 06/03/2009 11:46:23
Brian Monteith not quite firing on all cylinders. What a facile piece. I too have spent time in other countries, Sweden and Germany (for example), and the attitude to drunkenness is quite different. But this wasn't the case in Sweden in the 70s. Sweden has had a long history of tackling alcohol. Restriction was practiced, the systembolaget (govt. owned off licences) taking control of the selling of alcohol. This has recently been changed and once again private off licences can sell alcohol.

In Germany, I can often buy four or five bottles of good German beer for around five euros. Cheap! You don't often see drunks falling around the streets, or gangs of young people drinking and causing chaos. However, the fact that it is a cultural attitude in Scotland does not change the fact that it is also fuelled by cheap alcohol. One has to start somewhere.

Brian Monteith jumped on the NatBash bandwagon here. If he is true to his Tory roots, perhaps he'd think on a little about the fact that the BMA and the Police are keen on the restrictions. You don't change cultural attitudes by doing nothing. Yet there are no proposals from those opposed to the SNP's efforts.

Perhaps Mr Monteith, like Alan Massie in the Times, is caught between two Tory values; of being tough on crime and leaving individuals to smoke, drink themselves to death. After all, what business is it of mine if my neighbour's son is drinking 3 litres of Frosty Jacks every night, terrorising the neighbourhood, vandalising property, inflicting harm on himself and others?

As for the side swipe at Kenny MacAskill - shame on you Mr Monteith. You really are not worthy of the ink.
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 06/03/2009 12:52:55
Gregor,

The problems we have are largely brought on by over-zealous enforcement of the existing laws and by beefing them up to make them ever harder to break. As a result, we have kids drinking in parks, teenagers knowing how to forge official documents and carry it off. And that is just the tip of the iceburg. It was reported here a couple of weeks ago that someone was mugged on the way home from the supermarket for the drink that they were carrying.

To believe that further enforcement is somehow going to deal with this is like pretending you are the three wise monkeys. It won't. Period.

If you are able, cast your mind back 30-odd years---before the nanny state, before the concept of banning everything, before the thought police, before insane levels of health and safety, before we were all treated like little kids and were given the freedom to choose and the responsibility for our own actions---you would see that people behaved much more sensibly in all respects.

The likes of MacAskill do not fully understand the problem here, so how on earth is he to be relied upon to provide any kind of solution? The idea you cite of "at least he is doing something" is misguided. Merely "doing something" without having understood the problem and thought it through is far, far worse than doing nothing.
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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 06/03/2009 18:10:06
#2

Of course an argument can be made against having a 'nanny-state' and not having the government involved in every aspect of our lives. The dilemma, however, for Conservatives is that they call themselves the party of law and order while at the same time don't want individuals to be told how to live their lives with regards to drinking, smoking, etc.

My view is that the state must take an interest in anti-social behaviour and that law and order often involves finding ways to moderate boorish, often agressive behaviour (of the type you mention yourself, when you talk of someone being mugged for their carry-out). The goal is not to criminalise drinkers but to encourage them to moderate their drinking. That won't be done, in my view, by just telling people to lay off the booze.

Your argument that doing nothing is better than doing something without understanding the problem (I feel in no way enlightened by your analysis, by the way) seems ludicrous.
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Marian,

06/03/2009 18:47:07
The SNP led Scotc Government wants to increase the price of alcohol to economic levels and to allow local licencing boards to restrict sales to under 21s if the situation warrants it, amid howls of protest from the retail trade, as one would expect and the unionist opposition, but the latter will howl at any proposal and pontificate about the problem, because they did not tackle it when in power; armchair experts by the score.

We do not know if the plan will work, but some drastic action is needed; what we do know is that years of so-called re-education on alcohol and its effects, short and long term, has failed miserably to deal with the binge drinking scourge of Scotland.
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Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 07/03/2009 00:07:01
#4:

"Your argument that doing nothing is better than doing something without understanding the problem (I feel in no way enlightened by your analysis, by the way) seems ludicrous."

OK then, I'll give you an example. Mr Smith's car won't start. He doesn't understand the reason why and can't be bothered to read up about it or ask someone who does know. He feels that he has to do something, so he takes a hammer to the dashboard. Now he has a car that won't start with a broken dashboard into the bargain.

Kenny MacAskill does not understand the problem and will not stop to think about it or ask someone who may understand it. Therefore the action he takes is likely to cause other problems whilst STILL not resolving the original one. Just doing something so that you can be seen to be doing something is wrong, wrong wrong.
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SirJimRTD,

EH54 9DL 07/03/2009 11:22:25
Where is the sense in reducing the price of Buckfast,Alcopops and the similar sweet drinks favoured by the underage drinkers.If they are caught drinking in parks etc, lock them up and await their parents reporting them as missing then impose some sort of fine and restriction order on both parties,but don`t penalise sensible social law abiding drinkers.It`s about time politicians,councillors etc had more common sense and were more accountable to the people who voted them into their overpaid positions in the first place.
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nSyratzcGlaw,

07/03/2009 13:07:08
This is the problem you get when attacking another political party is more important than dealing with an issue.

If you like - Instead of banning Knives , we should change human nature so that people dont want to hurt others - is the gist of this piece.

a rather complex and impossible thing to do.


Why are scots generally drunks and obsessed by bevvy ? Why do i find them embarrasing when they come to visit me in Holland ?

I dont know the answer either to this obsession with a rather bad drug. But it has to start somewhere.
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nSyratzcGlaw,

07/03/2009 13:15:12
2 thats a load of nonsense. when i was 14 we used to get ours from an offie on Leith walk. The pubs were full of under age drinkers , as some places still are.

The difference ? Theres more data now, if anything things used to be worse.

What happens now is that many choose to get tanked up before leaving the house and going to a club. If you lived anywherre near teh city centre you wouldl see the carnage every weekend.
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blackley,

Edinburgh 16/03/2009 13:38:56
Okay Brian - keep the price low but what DO you suggest we do about the drink problem? It's all very well saying we have a culture fault and that needs to be changed but how and when? Isn't raising the price at least a step in the right direction? Surely "responsible drinkers" can afford a wee bit more for their sensible tipple?
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SandyBottoms,

Edinburgh 21/03/2009 14:26:34
Why not make all booze free for six months? Then we can address the evolution debate at the same time?

 

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