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Published Date:
21 December 2006
THE man known as Edinburgh's "King of the Beggars" has been banned for life from streets in the city centre after terrorising shoppers and store workers.
John "Kaiser" McKay is the first person in Edinburgh and one of the first in Scotland to be served with a lifetime Antisocial Behaviour Order.

The 49-year-old has been jailed twice in the past year for breaking an interim order banning him from parts of the New Town. Now a court has granted the unprecedented lifetime order against the ex-convict amid fears McKay will never be rehabilitated.

The aggressive beggar faces automatic arrest and prison if he enters Princes Street, Rose Street, or Castle Street. He is also banned from shouting and swearing in and around the bus station at St Andrew Square.

Over the years, McKay has built up a notorious reputation for repeatedly assaulting and threatening store and restaurant staff, shoppers, residents and tourists in the city centre. He has also attacked police and paramedics and hurled racist abuse at passers-by. In 1998, McKay was sentenced to five years in jail for a vicious bottle attack at The Mound, which left his victim with a gaping eight-centimetre neck wound.

Police and council chiefs built up a dossier of violence and disorder carried out by McKay, whose infamy earned him the nicknames of "Kaiser" and "King of the Beggars", reflecting his status among the city's street drinkers and beggars.

Today Sheila Gilmore, the councillor in charge of tackling antisocial behaviour in Edinburgh, said: "Mr McKay's violent and threatening behaviour is not only completely unacceptable but it has made people fearful for their safety."

The Asbo was granted at Edinburgh Sheriff Court in the absence of McKay, of no fixed address, who failed to turn up for the hearing.

The order was granted for an unlimited time, where other Asbos have been granted for restricted periods, typically two years.

Chief Inspector Willie Wills said: "This individual is well-known for making tourists and residents' lives a misery.

"We hope this will go some way to improving the lives of people in the city centre."

McKay ended up behind bars just days after the interim order was served on him on December 21 last year. He was jailed for two months for breaking the order, after threatening bus station staff who tried to stop him drinking, saying: "You are dead when you leave tonight, I know you finish at 10pm."

He was admonished at Edinburgh Sheriff Court shortly after his release for violating the order on February 28 before being jailed again for 40 days for a further breach on April 8.

McKay has numerous convictions, chiefly for assault and breach of the peace, and has spent his life in and out of young offenders' institutions and prison since his teens. He also had a serious problem with alcohol, which one expert predicted would kill him if he did not change his lifestyle.

Tam Hendry, chief executive of city-based homeless charity Streetwork UK, said: "Asbos can be effective short-term answers to difficult problems, but they are never intended to be long-term solutions. Ultimately, we have to take responsibility to help people change and that means working with them in the community, not simply shortening the time they spend out of jail."

A famous Evening News photograph pictured him in the late 1990s begging with his partner Hazel Mathieson's six-year-old son and urinating on the side of the Royal Scottish Academy on The Mound. The picture sparked calls for tougher action against aggressive beggars who plague people with abuse.

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1

Angus Mcdonald,

Edinburgh 21/12/2006 12:11:39

Why don't we name and shame this punk and also have his picture all over the place so people know who he is.Better still just sent him to prison and throw away the key.

2

Angus Mcdonald,

Edinburgh 21/12/2006 12:11:59

About time that we banned begging from Edinburgh.

3

bikerider1,

21/12/2006 12:14:51

they have put his name and picture all over the paper and named and shamed him. if he turns up in central edinburgh he will be put in prison. see the evening news has done everything you asked of it

4

Gordonzola,

West Lothian 21/12/2006 12:22:44

#3 - If that's his photo on the front page of the EEN, then he bears a canny likeness to a well kent Lithuanian banker.

5

Nou-Camp,,,,

21/12/2006 12:27:44

grow up you people christ its XMAS ,,, heartless morons

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StuartA,

Edinburgh 21/12/2006 12:29:37

Aw yeah, I totally know this dude, I recall he walked into the Greyfriars Art Store and started spitting on the ppl behind the counter...frm a man who's prob got the Hep. Harsh.
Kenn...

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mv,

21/12/2006 12:36:44

"The aggressive beggar faces automatic arrest and prison if he enters Princes Street, Rose Street, or Castle Street. He is also banned from shouting and swearing in and around the bus station at St Andrew Square. "

So all the other streets are ok to attack people?

Too much "begging" in Edinbugh, mainly during the summer months to fool the tourists. Try walking up Lothian Road during the festival and navigate your way around several "beggars (and associated dogs)". Hope the ones that get/accept help have a good xmas feed under cover but the others are beyond help..

A lot of these people are not interested in a roof or food but where the next drink is coming from. Along with all the litter in central Edinburgh surprised tourists are not shocked....

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Jakey Rowling,

21/12/2006 12:40:22

#7
Seems a waste of whisky to me, or does it help the plants.

10

Calum Crubag,

21/12/2006 12:42:53

Agree he should be banned. But maybe we should also ban Tory Lords from aeroplanes. They always get plastered and start fights. These well-bred neds should pay for their behaviour.

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Iain fae Elgin,

London 21/12/2006 12:47:17

#5

These people are not heartless morons. They are probably just people who are sick of wasters who have no intention of ever changing....

Do you want an amnesty for people like that just because of the time of year? Typical of the bleeding hearts in this country....if Mr. Mackay can't show the most basic form of social responsibility then he deserves everything that comes his way...including the contempt of his fellow citizens.

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www.theroundup.co.uk,

Edinburgh 21/12/2006 12:49:59

Is this the same guy that uses the wheelchair and constantly fell out of it as people walked by?

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Billy Britain,

Pollock Halls 21/12/2006 12:52:43

Who among us can put their hand on their heart and say they've never glassed a few people in the city centre, or spat on shop assistants, or racially abusing passers-by? It's just nit-picking (literally) if you ask me. Give the man a break, he's an Edinburgh insitution.

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Michael Grieve,

Hawick 21/12/2006 12:57:49

When I lived in Edinburgh it was the same with Beggers and why do they all have dogs ???

15

Prin the Dissolving Donkey,

21/12/2006 13:01:55

Yeah, because people kept turning it over.

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Jakey Rowling,

21/12/2006 13:02:27

#11
Absolutely, it beggars belief to think otherwise.

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heather,

bathgate 21/12/2006 13:02:49

ONE TIME IN GLASGOW WITH MY DAD {DAD LIVES THE THE STICKS NEVER GOS INTO TOWN}
& WE CAME ACROSS A BEGGER ASKING FOR MONEY.DAD WENT IN TO A BAKERS & CAME OUT WITH 2 HOT PIES & CUP OF TEA.WHEN HE GIVE IT TO THE BEGGER HE LOOKED AT DAD AS IF TO SAY "I WANTED THE MONEY".DAD TURNED TO HIM & SAID I WAS NOT GO TO FEED HIS DRUG HABIT DO THAT THROUGH ME TAXES.

18

Jakey Rowling,

21/12/2006 13:10:24

Imagine the despair of any dyslexic fast food addict if the headline was "Begger King Banned From City Centre".

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The Rev Kev,

on my knees 21/12/2006 13:15:47

#16--poor unfortunate Heather, just because you come from Bathgate, and you speak this way, you should really put this into English so that we all could understand...

21

Bob The Beggar,

21/12/2006 13:27:24

#18 What do you mean by these sorts?

22

Wingman,

Edinburgh 21/12/2006 13:30:20

#11. I,m with you all the way there, They receive as much money a week as my elderly mother and she aint begging for money, pays all her bills and food.

23

Martin.,

21/12/2006 13:32:43

The evidence would suggest that the man in question has some serious mental issues which need to be addressed. It wouldn't also be beyond the bounds of reason to suspect that he is also a chronic alcoholic / drug abuser.

Banning him from the streets only moves the problem on to a different area and there are plenty of people with mental health disorders begging on the streets and often contributing to 'anti-social behaviour'. I'm all for tackling the symptoms and preventing aggressive begging and the behaviour described above, but this needs to be coupled with other measures to tackle the cause of the problem if we don't want to see it reappear in a different area.

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HIS,

Edinburgh 21/12/2006 13:46:13

#20
Would havre thought it was obvious: serial violent or aggresive offenders who won't or can't mend their ways.

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Norrin,

Haifa 21/12/2006 13:46:40

"He is also banned from shouting and swearing in and around the bus station at St Andrew Square."

Isn't shouting and swearing anywhere considered a breach of the peace? Aren't we all banned from doing that already?

It's quite astounding that you can spend years terrorizing people and your punishment is simply that you're not allowed on 3 streets in the capital and woe betide you if you commit a breach of the peace near the bus station..... strange indeed.

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mv,

21/12/2006 13:50:39

Once saw one of these "beggars" pull out a mobile phone as it rang from under his blanket! It was during the festival so assume he was checking up with his dealer or fellow "beggars"....

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Alexander,

edinburgh 21/12/2006 14:01:29

The begging problem only exists because of all those well intented, but misguided people, who contribute out of kindness or occasionally due to a feeling of guilt because they were once poor and have made the effort to improve their lot. If you want to help give to recognised groups like the Salvation Army.

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21/12/2006 14:04:01
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daywalker,

west edinburgh 21/12/2006 14:29:38

most homeless are drug adicts&wineos.who do have acomidation and make 100pounds pre day glad to here a fake out the capital:)

30

Jimmy The Hip,

The Politicians Friend 21/12/2006 14:30:31

What is Alec Salmond's policy on begging in Edinburgh?

31

Shug,

UK 21/12/2006 14:38:47

29. Presumably whatever he thinks will win him votes!

32

BEEFY,

EDINBURGH 21/12/2006 14:41:24

About time these characters were rounded up. My local offy is constantly sold out of good old Bucky!!

Maybe if they were locked up the supply could meet my demand once again! HIC!!

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Jimmy The Hip,

The Politicians Friend 21/12/2006 14:44:02

Shug # 30

Right answer.

It's high time the council in Edinburgh got a lifetime Antisocial Behaviour Order against the "king of smarmy beggars" Alec Salmond; banning him from Holyrood and its environs. Because if he gets in there we'all be beggars in a year.

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petrol head,

Edinburgh 21/12/2006 14:45:33

Yes, come on the "ban everything" brigade. So far all you've done is ban things that some people may disagree with but basically do no harm whatsoever (ie smoking, hunting etc).

Whilst there are a good many beggars who are not agressive, is it not about time that some firm rules regarding begging be introduced? For instance, stop them sitting next to cash machines. Only let them do it between certain times. Introduce clear guidelines regarding behaviour and what is and is not acceptable.

Stupid, unneccessary political correctness has been brought into almost all aspects of life nowadays, however the perpetrators have so far fought shy of imposing themselves where it REALLY matters, probably for fear that they would meet some robust opposition and might, heaven forbid, upset someone who to coin a phrase is "less advantaged" than themselves.

It is a really sorry state of affairs when someone can loose their driving licence, job and home for merely exceeding the speed limit by a few miles per hour (which does no harm to anyone), yet we have idiots like this tramp behaving in such a way as to intimidate people in the streets and for the most part, he gets away with it.

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Zoobee,

edinburgh 21/12/2006 14:55:03

the reason Edinburgh has such a high beggar population is because people give them too much money. there are a few genuine cases out there but most are just trying to make easy money.

If the people of Edinburgh stopped all street donations for a few months that would get rid of most the beggars as they'd have to find another way to make cash.

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Jimmy The Hip,

Holyrodd - On Smarmy Salmond Watch 21/12/2006 14:58:28

The best to to keep smarmy beggars out of Edinburgh?
Don't vote for them :-)

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JG,

Fife 21/12/2006 15:00:10

Is this man mentally ill? Is it really just another example of "care in the community working so well - again!!!

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The Rev Kev,

city centre 21/12/2006 15:03:03

#34, exactly true..stop giving to this scum, then they will go back to their homelands

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rosford,

Fife 21/12/2006 15:10:52

I've found the top of Waverley steps particularly lucrative.

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Paul Voltaire,

www.paulvoltaire.spaces.live.com 21/12/2006 15:24:00

Not all the homeless are like "Kaiser".
As execution is not in use here anymore I suggest he is banished to Antartica.

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Janet,

21/12/2006 15:24:29

i have had the misfortune of pass this Kaiser character a few times in the centre of Edinburgh.

He is the lowest of low - an absolute scum bag who verbally abuses people just for walking past. This is a man who has no respect for anything or anyone around him, he will NEVER change his ways. This man should not be allowed to roam the streets of this town or any town.

He should be locked up with the key thrown away.
If a bus came along and run him over i would get on and give the driver a kiss.

He makes my blood boil the way he struts about town with his personal stereo and leather trousers.
Why is he begging? he probably gets enough money on benefits. This man is the perfect example of what happens when society goes soft and namby pamby. He should have been locked up for good years ago. How long will it be before he bottles someone again or perhaps he'll go further next time.

The man is a DISGRACE.

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Bob The Beggar,

21/12/2006 15:27:18

#23 Still a pretty sweeping generalisation m8. Now fair enough there are people that are inherently bad that are very hard to cope with. But for most of "these sorts" its our system thats failed them. Be it recently or earlier in their life this is where we should be focusing our efforts and public spending not on this type of reactive p1sh thats got the US in the state its in.

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semac,

Corstorphine 21/12/2006 15:46:34

#42 Janet I'm a bus driver could you get a photo of yourself on this site to see if it's worth while doing the deed?

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Nicky,

21/12/2006 15:53:36

It's an absolute disgrace that we cannot go into the city centre and you are finding "beggars". Most of them aren't homeless, just funding a drug habit. It's embarrassing for tourists to travel to our city and find these people being abusive and drunk.
Ship them off to Niddrie...

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Nicky,

21/12/2006 15:56:46

#43 the system has not "failed them" as you put it. If they couldn't be bothered going to school and getting an education, which would eventually help them get employment, then that isn't our problem to keep them. Why should we pay our of our taxes for idiots like this? He will probably be getting enough benefits to be keeping himself and has probably never done a days work in his life... I mean look at him. They should all be banned from our streets. We should not be intimidated whilst shopping to give these useless pieces of scum any money at all.

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Janet,

21/12/2006 16:00:22

#47

i concur.

why should we pay for the wrong choices they have made over the years and are still making now?

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Dougie McGill,

Jersey 21/12/2006 16:03:25

Send the guy a case of whisky. Should just about perforate his liver..and that'll be the end of it.

51

Nicky,

21/12/2006 16:07:05

#48 I think you need to read my comment again. You're getting all mixed up.

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JML,

Leith 21/12/2006 16:08:22

#44 - Was that really necessary?

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Nicky,

21/12/2006 16:09:17

#51
I was rather shocked when I read that too.

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21/12/2006 16:10:21
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The Rev Kev,

city centre 21/12/2006 16:11:11

I mean stake...sorry

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Janet,

21/12/2006 16:12:45

#50

i still agree.

#44

i agree too.


i am agreeing a lot today.

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The Rev Kev,

city centre 21/12/2006 16:13:03

Well I must prepare for my sermon "Peace and goodwill to all men", now where will I start....

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21/12/2006 16:34:50
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Jimmy The Hip,

Holyrood - On Smarmy Salmond Watch 21/12/2006 16:36:27

I agree the guy probably deserves a good slap and help with his behaviour, but to ban someone from a particular area permanently is ridiculous. It panders to big business, shopkeepers who have the most clout and makes ghettos of other areas. Why not exile him from the whole of Edinburgh or just send him to Glasgow? I'll tell you why, because Glasgow will retaliate and then you'll be sorry.

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Bob The Beggar,

21/12/2006 16:45:55

#47 Yep because thats the reason they are all on the streets because thy couldn't be bothered going to school.
Not because they were abused by their father who was a drunk because he had been layed off from the pit. Not because they became heavly reliant on drugs at a young age and the only help they were given was the disasterous methadone program. Not because they became a user through an abusive partner. Not because they had some they lost a very close family member and turned to drink/drugs. Not because they have a mental problem.
How much of your taxes do you think it costs to keep people in prison and continually prosecute them? You would be cheaper keeping them on drugs or bevvy!
These people were not born to become homeless, they didn't say I want to grow up get pished and beg on the streets for a living. This was a series of events, situations and experiences which ultimately led to this life. This is where we should be focusing our efforts. Stopping this before it happens.
Think about when you were at school how many of the eeijits who caused all the bother and ended up in jail or on the street came from loving supporting families and how many came from disfunctional abusive families?
Just punishing people more does not work and will not work.

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21/12/2006 16:54:46
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Jimmy The Hip,

Holyrood - On Smarmy Salmond Watch 21/12/2006 16:55:00

Bob The Beggar # 59

Right on Bob.
Using these lifetime Antisocial Behaviour Orders to ban someone from certain areas assumes that he knows where he is and can read the street signs. It is ridiculous and undemocratic, that people in in Princes Street, Rose Street and Castle Street can impose their problems on people in other streets. Its real dog in the manger stuff.
Some of you people posting here should think it through before letting your petty prejudices and vindictive personalities show.
Happy Christmas, Scrooge IS alive.

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Janet,

21/12/2006 16:58:45

#61

i don't want tinks raining on my parade everytime i walk through town.

what's wrong with that?

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AJ,

Fife 21/12/2006 16:59:32

What do you mean 'beggar'. This guy has a villa in Marbella and is married to Carol Vorderman. There must be some sort of mistake!!

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Jimmy The Hip,

Holyrood - On Smarmy Salmond Watch 21/12/2006 17:07:14

Janet # 62

Well, you've got that sorted Janet, now who is next? How about Asians, black people, Jews?
Just because you shop or have lunch or a drink round there doesn't give you the right to dictate who you should be allowed to rub shoulders with. There are people out there who might object your presence, believe it or not.

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Catherine,

Edinburgh 21/12/2006 17:07:30

Ban all begging! Big Issue gets my vote every time :)
There's no need for behaviour like his, just because he feels he's been hard done to!

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Tynieweeguy,

21/12/2006 17:27:38

Cath, he doesn't feel hard done to, he just does it because he can. Until we wake up and nip anti-social behavior in the bud we will produce more and more of this type of situation.

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Nicky,

21/12/2006 17:38:30

#59
A lot of people are "abused" in life, it doesn't make them homeless or turn into beggars you know. These people have choices in life. There are houses for those who need it and jobs for those who want to work. Why do they not? Because they can't get off their lazy arse that's why not. It must be great sitting on your arse all day with a piece of cardboard with a sob story and getting pound coins thrown in your little hat. Some of these idiots are making hundreds of pounds a day, people who are out working don't even make that. So stop sticking up for these uselss pieces of scum. They make their own way in life, you can't go around blaming your parents for ever more. They choose to live their life like that. No one makes them.

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Nicky,

21/12/2006 17:41:58

They are nothing but wasters. If they had to work it would kill the lot of them. I think it's hilarious when they have the best of breeds in dogs as well. How the hell can they afford to feed an animal when they cannot afford to feed themselves? They are an absolute disgrace to society. They contribute nothing to the system so they should receive nothing in return.
Ban them all. It would make the streets a lot cleaner and more enjoyable for all.

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KiwiScottie,

21/12/2006 18:00:39

I had the misfortune of walking past this man on a few occasions as he hung about in the area I worked in. He has no mental problems - he is just nasty. He abuses everyone who passes him, and makes comments towards women that I won't repeat. He constantly hurls abuse at shop owners and will push you out of the way if you are queued in front of him. I'm pleased he's been moved away!

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martin blank,

21/12/2006 18:06:06

"terrorized"!!!!! If you think an auld drunk is terrifying then you've all had easy lives. this city really is full of effete,humourless arseholes, and it seems many of them comprise the writers, editors and readers of this nasty little rag.

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Euan,

Edinburgh 21/12/2006 18:18:17

This guy really is a total menace to everyone in Edinburgh. I have seen him many times completely drunk and abusing people on Rose St.

He really is a nasty bit of work and this asbo banning him from the city centre is good news for everyone.

20 years hard labour in a Siberian salt mine would be better though, that would sort this piece of filth out.

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EnEm,

Edinburgh 21/12/2006 18:21:14

That man got a hefty kicking in jail a few years back and it calmed him down quite remarkably for a while. Maybe he needs a reminder.

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WisconsinPaul,

Milwaukee 21/12/2006 18:38:32

Surely there's a difference between begging from passersby and abusing them. Seems that this fellow is an incompetent beggar--who wants to 'donate' to a scoundrel? He needs a new career.

In Toronto I once passed a fellow whilst I was going into a musuem, declined his request. On my way out later he shook his hat at me again and said "Second chance for a golden glow." That got me to laugh and got him a donation. Begging is just another sales position; a bit of charm is good for business.

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Urban Clearway,

Tyneside 21/12/2006 18:43:45

It would appear that this individual is an abuser, not a victim, and it would also appear that he has taken far more from society tham he has ever contributed, or is ever likely to contribute. The solution to such problems is a long drop and a short rope. It is a pointless and injurous expense to pretend otherwise.

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KTCB41,

21/12/2006 18:45:11

Tam Hendry, chief executive of city-based homeless charity Streetwork UK, said: "Asbos can be effective short-term answers to difficult problems, but they are never intended to be long-term solutions. Ultimately, we have to take responsibility to help people change and that means working with them in the community, not simply shortening the time they spend out of jail."

What a load of crap!

This says more about Mr Hendry's need to keep is place in the homeless industry than any interest in the people this man hase spent a lifetime abusing. The fact that it has been a lifetime says volumes for the failure of agencies like Mr Hendry's.

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Misty,

21/12/2006 19:23:55

I have had dealing with this man as well. He is very intimidating and right in your face. Not a nice experience.

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Bob The Beggar,

21/12/2006 20:04:54

#67 I'm sure that its not every abused person (and that was only one example I gave) that slips into a life of drugs, vice, homelessness, alcoholism...
Unfortunately there are a lot that do. These are the people who need protection, guidance and help at an early stage. Not only reactive and punitive measures later that cost you the taxpayer more in the long run.
Now I agree there are people that are inherently bad, people that play the system and perhaps lost causes such as this guy appears to be, but thats not the situation with all. You can't generalise as you are doing.
It would be a sad day indeed if we lost sight of our humanity

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Douglas,

Bathgate 21/12/2006 20:17:29

#19 The Rev Kev: The Ned Ted, The Knob Bob, Friar Liar etc. ad nauseam.
Yesterday you were a man of the cloth giving half of your salary to charity, today just a sad wee bully. How the mighty and righteous are fallen.

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Julian,

21/12/2006 22:21:01

"He also had a serious problem with alcohol, which one expert predicted would kill him if he did not change his lifestyle."

Could someone please tell me the name of this expert. I need his prediction on what would happen to me if I were to start smoking 100 cigarettes a day.

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is it me?,

national gallery (ootside) 21/12/2006 22:23:59

Oh Dearie me, I think he's a wonderful man; just a wee bit misunderstood.

Mrs. Kaiser McKay


.

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is it me?,

national gallery (ootside) 21/12/2006 22:32:07

#80 Julian.

Me ,me ! You'll die . That'll be £3000 please. Please make cheque payable to me c/o E.E.N.

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S.A.M,

glasgow 21/12/2006 22:36:11

46 Nicky

Why ship them of to niddrie?
I take it your from craigmillar!
Everywhere is the same now because the government had the same mentality as you and thought the problem was just for scum bags.
wr are all the same now, north, south, east and west, rich or poor (mostly rich, but they can hide it abit better).
Don't you look down on anyone. You don't know whats under your own nose or up your relatives noses!!!

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Julian,

21/12/2006 22:48:24

Is it me # 82, your cheque's in the post. I was also wondering what would happen if I didn't change my lifestyle of crossing the road with my eyes closed.

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anonymouse,

scotland 21/12/2006 23:48:40

I am a Police officer in edinburgh and have to agree with a lot of the comments made. Begging is a lucrative business, most beggers I speak to state they make approx £10 per hour, not bad at all really. People seem to give out of guilt or well meaning but the thing is 90% of these beggers are drug addicts who under their blankets are carring needles, methoadone prescriptions and bottles of lighter fuel to buzz. There really is no need to beg. These people get state benefits, get a free roof over their head and free meals. The simply beg to feed their habits.

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Lord Lucan,

22/12/2006 01:34:36

After #85's comment, there's even more reason to bring back the birch. Take their meds off them and let them crawl away somewhere to die. These people are nothing but scum.

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bill inch,

edinburgh 22/12/2006 02:37:58

nou camp get real wake up you. this is not right and you know it

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bill inch,

edinburgh 22/12/2006 02:41:03

Take the the usless thing and eliminate the problem a good example to others

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EnEm,

edinburgh 22/12/2006 06:06:49

Please. Stop generalizing about beggars on the back of this story about Kaiser.

Kaiser is a scumbag even among scumbags. He doesn't just harass, insult, abuse, bully, rob and intimidate nice people. In fact, he only gets around to them once he's exhausted the supply of the more vulnerable people he can exploit. There'll be a few beggars out there specifically because Kaiser has their dole money.

Get rid of Kaiser and you'd solve more problems than you know.

90

young and balding,

wgh 22/12/2006 07:26:57

why do tramps and beggers always have great heads of hair?..its so depressing

91

eric,

Lothian 22/12/2006 07:46:29

lets do a TV show on It And get Him on Parkie,Celeb Beggar

92

The Rev Kev,

city centre 22/12/2006 08:02:53

#79, this man came into my place of work, scrounging, when I said no, he threw a noxious substance over me, the Police caught him and charged him with "bleach of the Preist". I do give to worthy causes, he is not one of them!!

93

young and balding,

wgh 22/12/2006 08:03:56

where does the phrase 'lucky beggar' come from?

94

young and balding,

wgh 22/12/2006 08:08:11

im from derby originally and they have banned all beggars from the city centre there, it doesnt stop them, they still come in and beg, these are people who just dont abide by the rules of a civilised society.

95

young and balding,

wgh 22/12/2006 08:11:42

enem..come on lets face it, beggars are a pest!. why should i be made to fell guilty for not handing over my hard earned dosh to them? i'd like to see their faces if i hounded them for a quid when they pick up their dole dosh!..can you imagine?????

96

young and balding,

wgh 22/12/2006 08:13:12

and why do you think it is such a coincidence that they sit outside all the wine shops like threshers??? talk about lazy!!

97

young and balding,

wgh 22/12/2006 08:19:02

GNNNAAAAAAARRRR! BEGGARS!..will have to go now, work beckons...(wish there was a better and easier way to gain cash...oh wait a mo, there is!!!! get a dog,sit on my a**e all day and harass people for their money!!!!)..EASY
and all you do-gooders, stop sticking up for them, its cos of the likes of you that they never learn!!!!

98

martin blank,

22/12/2006 08:24:09

@85. If you are a serving officer then you'll know that buzzing gas or lighter fuel is not illegal, unless a complaint is made directly about the person doing it in which case it could be considered to be a breach of the peace. I'm wondering if you're the dafty with the 'tache who works in leith and likes his illegal stop and searches. scumbag.

99

The Rev Kev,

city centre 22/12/2006 08:31:04

#79, this man came into my place of work, demanding cash, when I refused, he threw a noxious substance over me, the Police arrested him and charged him with "bleach of the Preist". I do give to charitable cases but not this loser!!

100

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh (old Town) 22/12/2006 10:45:09

Good ridence!! Why not do the same with all the schemie teenage foul-mouthed neds who frequent the city centre?

One down, a lot more to follow!!

101

GP,

22/12/2006 10:54:49

Give him a job at easter road where he belongs.

102

S153,

Leith 22/12/2006 11:54:24

The guy is scum, nae money, but they can always find money for bevvy n fags n drugs. The sooner scum like this is eradicated the better. We do not need scum like this littering our streets. We pay taxes, isn't it about time the police and courts etc did something about scum to give the streets back to us law abiding tax payers!

103

Julian,

22/12/2006 12:03:07

Peter # 99, he's been banned from 3 streets. I hardly thinks it's good riddence to this pest.

104

Alf,

22/12/2006 12:18:36

..........he wasn't aggressive when he was zonked out stinking in my office doorway with about five layers on on one of the sunniest days of the year, a stream of snot oozing over his stubble.................poor soul !!!!!!!

Hee was only aggressive when I tried to awaken him and tell him 'tae get tae', manky beggar...........

don't know what the right solution is, but something had to be done..........!!!!!

105

roger rabbit,

22/12/2006 15:07:42

He should be tied up in a sack, beaten black and blue for 30 minutes, then dumped in a slurry pit for a week before being burnt. The slurry pit would unfortunately need to be cleaned of the contamination afterwards.

106

anonymouse,

22/12/2006 17:17:04

@97 The Police can arrest somone for a breach of the peace WITHOUT receiving a complaint from a member of the public. You quite correctly point out that buzzing gas is not illegal however the job of the Police is to challenge activity which is unacceptable and to be honest If I saw a person buzzing gas in the street I will arrest them. I would not be too keen about allowing children and other persons see a slumped out begger with a tin of gas shoved in his mouth getting high. I would expect the vast majority of persons would agree with this and would expect the Police to take a robust stance.

You sound like a really decent guy by the way and judging by you calling me a "scumbag" by what comment I post on a message board leads me to wonder how it could possible be that you get stopped and checked out by the Police. I can just imagine what kind of attitude you take and that could perhaps be why you have all these "illegal searches" carried out on you.


 

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