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Published Date: 13 February 2007
London Fashion Week is silent amid skinny models controversy Lack of firm regulation means any size goes Culture Secretary's intervention fails to provoke response
Key quote: "I would like to see any girl with a body-mass index of less than 18, essentially the size-zero, banned. In my opinion, the British Fashion Council have been behaving totally irresponsibly." - Dee Doncey, Lib Dem culture spokeswoman
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SIX months ago, Lily Cole was routinely vilified because it was argued she exemplified everything that is irresponsible about the fashion industry. Yesterday morning, she strolled down the runway at Noir's London Fashion Week show looking the same height, weight and slender shape as ever. If anyone has been force-feeding this porcelain doll-like 18-year-old, it simply doesn't show. She still measures just 81-63-89cm; she still hasn't sprouted love-handles.

Clearly, despite widespread concerns about the promotion of unrealistic body images, London's designers still think that thin is in. Yet no-one - no fashion editor, commentator, stylist or store buyer attending yesterday's shows, and most certainly not the models themselves - was batting an eyelid. The body-image debate did not surface in chit-chat during the inevitable delays before the start of each show. Model choice was not the measure by which individual designers were judged. The men and women attending London Fashion Week were obsessing over frocks that appeared on the runways, rather than concerning themselves with the body-mass index of the girls who modelled them.

Ever since the death of an anorexic model in Brazil last year, which prompted the introduction of minimum body-mass requirements for models at fashion weeks in Madrid and Milan, there has been pressure on the British Fashion Council to follow suit - eradicating what Tessa Jowell, the Culture Secretary, has referred to as "the tyranny of thinness".

Yet, despite widespread public concern, despite Jowell's energetic intervention, even despite the threatened withdrawal of funding from the London Development Agency, London Fashion Week has proceeded without a ban on super-skinny size-zero models.

In the continuing absence of formal regulation, there's nothing to stop London's designers populating their runways with stick-thin freaks whose appearance demands medical intervention. And, in principle, the uppermost echelons of the British fashion industry are still free to go their own indulgent and potentially irresponsible way without care for the damage which may be done. For, despite her public statements of concern, and despite persistent lobbying from health and diet specialists, Jowell has accepted the British Fashion Council's official line that "regulation is neither desirable or enforceable."

However, this doesn't mean that the industry has remained impervious to influence. New guidelines have been set out in a voluntary code of practice, discouraging use of underweight and overly-young models. Phillip Green, the owner of Topshop, is one of a gaggle of industry figures already pledging their brands will not use super-skinny models. Even Victoria Beckham has promised not to use overly-thin models in the promotion of her clothing line - ironic, perhaps, given that the pop-starlet-turned-designer is probably thinner than almost any model. Although British fashion remains, officially, a law unto itself, employment prospects for super-skinny models have reached a low.

According to David Hayes, features editor of Happy magazine: "Some designers were certainly using extremely slender girls, although in truth size-zero was almost as great a rarity as size-12 on any designer runway. But there's definitely an awareness that wasn't there before. The hysteria of the body-image debate has unleashed a new sensitivity, and designers are now unlikely to allow even the tiniest glimpse of bony rib-cage or pipe-cleaner-like arm. Super-skinniness has simply gone out of fashion."

Cole is most certainly not US size-zero (UK size-4). Yet there's no question that she is slender. With an appearance that's striking, she most certainly does not look like the average 18-year-old. Which, of course, is precisely why she came to be celebrated as a fashion icon. For fashion finds beauty in the quirky and unconventional. Consider Erin O'Connor's nose, Cindy Crawford's mole, or Lauren Hutton's celebrated gap-tooth smile.

In four short years, Cole has starred in an extraordinary number of advertising campaigns and brought her own highly individual grace to countless designer runways. There's absolutely no evidence that Cole is (or ever has been) unhealthy. But in an industry where appearance is everything, may she be considered a bad role model? Perhaps it would be useful to make mention that she's proved herself a straight-A student with a concern for social responsibility sufficiently great to have precluded acceptance of lucrative work from De Beers, the diamond specialist - but inspired support for the ethical clothing line, Noir, on whose runway she appeared yesterday.

But, of course, fashion professionals are unlikely to take any more notice of a model's scholastic achievements than of her body-mass index. Frankly, they're only here, this week in London, for the frocks.

• Fashion commentator, John Davidson, writes for titles ranging from The Scotsman and Scotland on Sunday to Russian Vogue. He is also involved in projects supporting emerging fashion designers in Scotland.

'THIS ALL COMES DOWN TO PROFIT'

For a ban

DEE Doocey, the Lib Dem culture spokeswoman for London and a former fashion-house executive, has campaigned vociferously for the banning of size-zero models.

Last night, she said: "I would like to see any girl with a body-mass index of less than 18, essentially the size-zero, banned. In my opinion, the British Fashion Council have been behaving totally irresponsibly. Certainly, they have said that they are concerned about the issue, but they have done nothing.

"It's the same with the rest of the industry. I've spoken to designers, fashion magazines and model agencies, and while they all make the right noises, in the end they don't want to know.

"It comes down to profit, but also the fact that designers prefer girls that look like coathangers, because they won't ruin the lines of their clothes. They need to re-learn their approach to design."

Within the industry, there are high-profile critics of the waif-like models.

Fashion legend Valentino hit out at size-zero models stating: "I want a more fuller woman, proud of her femininity with fuller sides, more life and a fuller bust."

Nicole Farhi, Ben de Lisi and Paul Smith have said they would not be using size-zero models.

A spokeswoman for Ben de Lisi said: "It's not a look we go for. We all have a responsibility to look after the welfare of the models."

'REGULATION WOULD JUST ADD FUEL TO FIRE'

Against a ban

DESPITE the controversy surrounding size-zero models, and the decision to ban girls with body-mass indexes of under 18 from New York and Madrid Fashion Weeks, the British Fashion Council continues to resist such a ban.

Last night a BFC spokeswoman insisted : "To ban size-zeroes would be to discriminate against naturally skinny girls.

"We don't want unhealthy girls being used, but if you were to speak to any eating-disorder expert, they would tell you that you cannot tell just by looking at somebody whether they have an eating disorder or they're just naturally thin.

"Hopefully, once the controversy dies down, we will be able to move the discussion forward and get to grips with the complexities."

Fashion designer and former owner of the Red or Dead label, Wayne Hemingway, said: "We always used normal models, but fashion is full of artistic and opinionated people who will always react against what they are told. They like a scrap and have fought their way up to reach the position they're in. To ban size-zeroes would be just to fuel the fire of this controversy."

Beat, the eating disorders organisation, also resists a ban, saying that while it was "not helpful" to use these types of models, they had not evidence of anyone developing anorexia or bulimia because they had seen examples in magazines.

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  • Last Updated: 13 February 2007 3:10 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Anorexia
 
1

www.scottwebb.co.uk,

13/02/2007 02:30:29

It really is up to the buying pubic to boycott those that support this unhealthy gaunt look

2

F.R.E.E. Mason,

Brisbane,australia 13/02/2007 02:57:27

Let them eat cake!

3

Sinnerman,

Another Planet 13/02/2007 04:14:19

Here we go again! Can't the hysterical media just give it a rest? Does the public really give a damn?

4

Curious,

Lilliesleaf 13/02/2007 06:31:04

Let the public decide - politicians keep out.

5

Media 1,

cape town 13/02/2007 06:31:09

I am glad the fashion industry has said nothing, there is nothing to say.

Most women who purchase the beauty magazines can identify with the fact that skinny models are just that, skinny models. Hired by fashion guru's to advertise their art. Noting more, nothing less.

But there are other women who purchase the magazines and page throw them with their feet on the couch, a glass of red wine in one hand and a pie in the other.

Is it any wonder they feel large?

6

Swilly Tisher,

Loch Maree 13/02/2007 07:23:57

Bags of bones , that's all they are ; indescribably horrible to look at.

7

Media 1,

cape town 13/02/2007 07:31:10

#6 Swilly: Thats your personal preference and its great. But that does not mean that size zero should be put under the spot light.

General point: So a model died of anorexia in Brazil! Big deal, its a common disease! People are dying of a multitude of ailments every day. If the guy next door to me dies of a heart attack must I be forced to stop eating hamburgers? Maybe people should stop discriminating against size zero ladies and show them some respect.

8

eric,

13/02/2007 07:39:14

Beckam should dump that stick insect freak and start a trend ,If you look like this you wont get a boyfreind ,

9

Graeme,

Guangzhou 13/02/2007 07:58:18

#8. I would look after her!

10

Scaramouche,

13/02/2007 07:58:28

Sugar, ah honey honey
Please come and eat candy girl
Cos you've got that wasting you.
Honey, ah sugar sugar
Lots of sweet junk girl
And I wanting you eating it.
I just can't believe how really skinny you've become
(I just can't believe it's true)
I just can't believe you think it's only thin
(I just can't believe it's true)
Ah sugar, ah honey honey
Have some more candy girl
To get rid of that wasting look.
Ah honey, ah sugar sugar
Please eat lots of candy girl
Cos I really hat that wasting you.
When I kissed you, girl, I knew how thin that you'd become
(I know how thin that you'd become)
Just have some more cake so I can see you have a bum
(Not a tiny wee lump)
Go on, pour a little sugar on it honey,
Pour a little sugar on it baby
I'm gonna make you a size eighteen, yeah yeah yeah
Grab yourself a mince pie oh yeah
Pour a little ketchup honey,
Pour a little brown sauce on it baby
I'm gonna make your look human, yeah yeah yeah
Pour a little sugar on your honey,
Ah sugar, ah honey honey
Please eat more candy girl
Cos I really don't like that wasted look
Oh honey, honey, sugar sugar .....
You need more candy girl......

*apologies to the (st)Archies!!

11

eric,

Lothian 13/02/2007 08:08:12

9 Ewwww

12

Eric D,

South L.A 13/02/2007 08:13:19

They could feed half of Africa for day with the money they waste on London Fashion. Bunch of decadent
parasites , all of them.

13

eric,

Lothian 13/02/2007 08:16:37

12 True Eric D

14

manda b,

edinburgh 13/02/2007 08:48:58

just done the cm to inch conversion (/2.54); this gives the lass in the article a "32 24 35" figure -- same as me and I'm a (british) SIZE 10, slim yes, but not size ZERO (and not too slight for my height; I suspect this girl is a tad taller than my 5'1"!!) So what's going on? I do concur that catwalk models appear to be abnormally/unhealthily underweight, but this article has me confused re sizing and therefore clouds the very serious issue of models/media promoting eating disorders

15

Media 1,

cape town 13/02/2007 08:55:50

#14 Manda b: 32 24 35 SORTED!

16

Bonnie Laddie,

13/02/2007 08:59:08

Makin’ love to super models is like makin love to a stick - trust me I know!

17

Turkey Jerky,

13/02/2007 09:08:05

If they can ban thin people because they are considered unhealthy then they should also ban fat models that are unhealthily fat say bmi of over 27 that would be fair. Otherwise the government should stick to politics not fashion.

Stupid F***in politicians. Maybe they should also ban anyone ill from appearing in public. Can't have them making everyone else feel bad about being healthy.

18

Mr Lucky,

At my computer. 13/02/2007 09:10:29

Is it a slow news day today?
There must be more important things going on in the world than this. I don't see it merits being on the front page.

Why anybody would want to be that thin, I can't understand. Take it from someone who is not thin by choice, it's not particularly fun.

19

Cynical,

13/02/2007 09:13:27

It's all a subterfuge by the overwhelming majority who are obese or near obese so that there is nobody left to make them look bad.


In other words, plain old jealousy.

20

eric,

Lothian 13/02/2007 09:33:52

Mirror Mirror on the wall Who is the Fattest of them all ,I think Posh is the Fattest ,

21

AJ,

Fife 13/02/2007 09:38:02

These stories fairly disrupt the Scottish Independance debate!

However, didn't wee jack mcconnell go to the Dressed to Kill fashion show in NYC, dressed as a fat super model?

Surely, a REAL leader of Scotland wouldn't get him or herself into such an embarassing situation!

22

Erse,

Middle East 13/02/2007 09:38:56

It's TB's way of getting the UK even more Americanised. Have you seen the amount of hugely obese people over there? They make me look positively svelte.

23

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13/02/2007 09:42:22
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24

jennie,

inverness 13/02/2007 09:43:24

Mr Lucky #18 - this is slightly important as the constant harping on about thin=good damages the self esteem of all women who are not thin - which is the vast majority of us. For the record, I'm not fat either...;)

Studies have shown that dieting reduces brain function and impairs intellect - it seems to take over a chunk of the thinking process as anyone who has ever sat counting calories will know.

It cannot be a good thing for a society to be fostering a culture in which half the population is feeling bad about itself most of the time and frequently in a state of impaired intellect! Newspaper and magazine editors could take the first step and stop their fashion editors using pre-pubescent waifs as models. Bring back Sophie Dahl (before she went on a diet)!

25

KazFarquhar,

Scottish Borders 13/02/2007 09:50:55

I am soooo glad that I didn't go into modelling!! Don't get me wrong I am not fat, but I am a size 10.... It was always my dream to become a cat-walk model, but now I am glad that I didn't go down that road - these models are absolutely hideous looking!! They are not bonny or nice looking at all!! It would be nice to see some curvy cat-walkers for a change!!

26

Jema,

Liverpool 13/02/2007 09:54:43

I don’t think that all size zero models should be dismnated against. I am a healthy size 0 and am fed up with my friends accusing me of being anorexic! I am not! I eat at least 3 meals a day! I think people should be more concerned about obesity.

27

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13/02/2007 09:57:32
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28

eric,

Lothian 13/02/2007 09:59:19

26 The problem is That most of the youg girls today look up to Stick insect woman and want to be like that ,We must change this perception,

29

Booby Action,

13/02/2007 10:05:52

Two words, Keira Knightly !!! Howe can you say sliming is a bad thing with her in mind ? Is the case not, she's right and we are all wrong ?

30

eric,

Lothian 13/02/2007 10:11:47

Yuk

31

eric,

Lothian 13/02/2007 10:18:02

who?

32

Booby Action,

13/02/2007 10:19:38

Kiera Knightly, check the spelling maybe, she is a goddess !!!

Also, there were no fat people in the bible.

33

eric,

Lothian 13/02/2007 10:21:02

32 Never heard of her him it ,Ive heard of Debbie harry of Blondie though ,mmmmm Now theres an Icon.

34

Erse,

Middle East 13/02/2007 10:24:12

Keira Knightly, Victoria Beckham - horrible!

35

Erse,

Middle East 13/02/2007 10:25:50

#32, Simon was fat (after he met the pieman).

36

val,

13/02/2007 10:36:19

this is very unfair to those who cannot help being skinny. i was 7 1/2 stone but size 12 for years-not now i have had 3 kids-more's the pity!

i know one young girl-started uni a healthy size 12, got glandular fever and lost weight, found it hard to build that back but now at a healthier size 8/10 and 8 stone, has had grief from d.j's and louts in pubs and night clubs calling her anorexic and druggy etc.

this kind of reporting does not help this -abuse about weight is wrong whether skinny or fat.

37

Brandon,

13/02/2007 10:37:19

"The men and women attending London Fashion Week were obsessing over frocks that appeared on the runways, rather than concerning themselves with the body-mass index of the girls who modelled them." - - - Isn't this the point?

This is great journalism.


- BREAKING NEWS -
- Models are too skinny.


No sh*t?

38

Erse,

Middle East 13/02/2007 10:39:22

#37 Exactly no sh*t because they don't eat anything!

39

KazFarquhar,

Scottish Borders 13/02/2007 10:50:25

Yes I totally agree - Models are too skinny!! They are tall and I feel that if you are tall and a size 0 then you look unhealthily skinny, but if you are only 5ft up to 5ft 5inch, then size 0 would look fine. I am 5ft 7in and a size 10, which looks fine, but if I was a size 0, I would look really unhealthy!!! Models are tall and too skinny - that's the point!!

40

Wullie Coyle,

Rab haw downtown auchtermuchty 13/02/2007 10:53:34

Ignore them all and they will be gone in a puff of talcum,

41

Gusto,

13/02/2007 11:26:40

We should bear in mind that these models are not exactly chosen by your average hetros. They are chosen by men who prefer men, in an industry run by men who prefer men, making money off poor skinny teenagers who look like their idea of a boy.
+ a dress doesnt have to be fitted to girls with (heaven forbid) breasts - one size fits all, as long as breasts are not involved. Nothing should swing on a catwalk except hips! Ugh!

42

Booby Action,

13/02/2007 11:29:10

Again, Keira Knightly, Discuss.........

43

morris,

edinburgh 13/02/2007 11:36:30

One of the great mysteries in life has always been the catwalk. Why does a woman who is paid to model clothes invariably not wear any,and why are the costumes frequently very revealing (well they would be if the models had anything worth revealing)!
It is just another branch of the aert and fashion industry where freaks are paid loads of dosh for "creating" rubbish which nobody wants to wear,but they obviously get a kick out of seeing a grown woman with the body of a schoolgirl.
I stopped doing that when I was 12,and graduated to bigger things!

44

Joanna,

Cambs, England 13/02/2007 11:39:21

Gusto @ 41

Good point........ the gay male fashion designers who dominate the industry prefer the no breasts, no hips, androgynous teenboy look.

That is why most of the catwalk models look like skeletons with skin. They don't eat and they use drugs and cigarettes to stop hunger pangs.

If anyone thinks this is a healthy look for grown women then they are as misogynist as some of the designers.

Just hope that your daughters do not follow the same road. To starve yourself to look like an emaciated bag of bones is not a good idea.

Unfortunately, though it is vulnerable teenage girls who are the main victims of eating disorders and anyone who thinks that this is not because of media pressure to be ever thinner is deluding themself. Anorexia and bullimia are on the increase because of the demoralising way that the mainly male dominated fashion and media industry views women.

What comes after size 0?

45

Michael X Green,

Kent 13/02/2007 11:58:46

Young girls are massively influenced by what they see in magazines and on television, esp re body image

My seven year old - yes, she's seven - is already very conscious of these issues just from the talk in the playground at school. She never watches television and she never sees magazines with skinny models in them. Yet it's reaching her, and she comes home with things like : "Daddy, I didn't have any pudding at lunchtime today because I don't want to be a fat girl".

This is terrible. With all the exercise she gets, and the very healthy diet she has, she has no possible chance of obesity. And yet this corrosive message is being received and is already having an appreciable effect - a healthy, energetic child refusing her pudding - it must be a strong message to do that.

We have an enormous responsibility to our children in relation to issues such as body image, obesity, exercise, diet and all the rest. This is nothing like the case of the man (adult) who might give up hamburgers because his neighbour (adult) had a heart attack. We are talking here about IMPRESSIONABLE AND VULNERABLE CHILDREN

The fashion industry has a responsibility here, and people in society - our community - must also realise and discharge their responsibilities. The nurture and protection of our children is the most important job we have. By a very, very long way.

46

Chaz,

13/02/2007 12:07:58

>>>>#7:
Big deal, its a common disease!
It is...and so is OVEREATING. When you hear of "eating disorders", poor girl is too thin. You never hear of poor girl/boy who overeats. All you hear is how fat they are and why don't they exercise. It's in the mind, trust me....nothing to do with anything else.


>>>>#7, again, Maybe people should stop discriminating against size zero ladies and show them some respect.
Why not show the big fat woman some respect too?

I'm a BBW and very proud of it!

47

AJ,

Fife 13/02/2007 12:11:59

What's BBW?

48

Chaz,

Edinburgh 13/02/2007 12:15:29

>>>#26I don’t think that all size zero models should be dismnated against. I am a healthy size 0 and am fed up with my friends accusing me of being anorexic! I am not! I eat at least 3 meals a day! I think people should be more concerned about obesity.

I'm "obese"...I'm 5ft 3in and I'm 17 stone. I have excellent blood pressure, my cholesterol is perfect, my triglycerides are perfect...I exercise, I eat healthy, and the doctors say they can't fault me one bit and cannot even "advise" that I lose weight as there is no medical reason TO lose weight.
I've been 8 stone, and I've been 22 stone. I'm at "my best", according to me, at 15-16 stone and that is what I'm aiming for. Not for any other reason.

If you're healthy, it doesn't really matter what size you are. And, again, as I said in the earlier post, eating disorders are in the MIND, not so much in the body.

49

Media 1,

cape town 13/02/2007 12:40:25

Why is it ok to have a public outcry about really skinny models when we all know that a similar campaign about really fat models would be frowned upon..

Same old story all over again, the victim is always the one who society has pity for..shocking!

50

petrol head,

Edinburgh 13/02/2007 12:51:35

Ban. Ban. Ban. Ban Ban. Is that really all people can think about?

Whatever happened to freedom of choice? So what if a model is super-thin? Personally, I wouldn't find that attractive but I'm sure that many people would do.

Honestly, they complain if people are fat, then they complain if people are thin. What are they trying to achieve? A legal weight range?

Maybe it's because Dee Doocey is jealous because she could never be a size zero that she is creating all this fuss. She should find something better to do and stop sticking her nose in where it's not wanted, stop interfering with things she knows nothing about and start considering people's freedom of choice.

51

Bonnie Laddie,

13/02/2007 13:01:08

I was asked to visit Keira nightly !

52

Mr Craig,

England 13/02/2007 13:08:32

I dont think the issue here is about discrimination in any way.
The real issue is to stop rewarding people for being thin, or the thinnest.
We dont want to encourage unnatural and dangerous slimming.

Compare this to athletes who perform well due to taking of drugs. That is also dangerous. Therefore those athletes are banned. Its not discrimination.

The Guiness world records for the largest pets no longer exist, because owners were force-feeding animals to break the record. That was removed.

Remove the reason to do it and then it wont happen - we are talking about saving peoples lives.
Those who are naturally thin, fat or whatever size can go about whatever they want to do. Doesnt the current fashion trend discriminate against 'natural size' ?

53

Firozali A.Mulla MBA PhD,

Dar-Es-Salaam Tanzania 13/02/2007 13:13:08

A model strikes a pose on the catwalk during Duro Olowu's Autumn/Winter 2007 show at London Fashion Week Picture: Getty
You are lucky. I do not have the photograph only the above. Tanzania we have problems with the speed or the power or the fluctuations of power or no power. No complain if you have stayed for many years. You are used to it. Now the awards story. India is coming up fast with the latest designs of smaller the clothes bigger the money, smaller the waist bigger the demand and pay. That is the fashion, who wants the fat lots in the movies unless it is the MACBETH?

54

Media 1,

cape town 13/02/2007 13:20:12

#55 is right..Africa is a 3rd world disaster with no chance of progress, the lights are sometimes on, sometimes not, but its the AFRICAN way and you must get used it..

Likewise, skinny models is the fashion industry way and we must just get used it..

55

Firozali A.Mulla MBA PhD,

Dar-Es-Salaam Tanzania 13/02/2007 13:39:01

No 56. I thank you for your agreement for once at least here is another one Chew this up and let me know if you come closer to this.


Never park your Benz near your employers VW
In Shakespeare's English, “luxury” and “lust” were synonyms.
Have you ever seen the ugly model trying to sell the car? It is always half dressed (naked is the right word to be polite), and the sexiest lady who stands on the bonnet of the car or opening the car door inviting you to go for the date. There is no date. There is an invoice to follow and your plastic card swiping. Shakespeare hath created the right matured remarks then that hold true today.

56

AJ,

Fife 13/02/2007 13:40:14

What's BBW?

57

Stu_R_20,

Edinburgh 13/02/2007 13:41:11

Why does this have such an adverse effect on women in general. They are just people who walk up and down a stage with diff outfits on, their weight should not be an issue. Besides health officials have pointed out that you can be a perfectly healthy size 0. If people don't like it why can't they just ignore it instead of idolizing these womens waists, its pathetic.

58

Ian, Yorkshire,

13/02/2007 13:44:08

Bulbous Bulgarian Woman?

59

Erse,

Middle East 13/02/2007 13:50:56

Bum Before Wicket?

60

AJ,

Fife 13/02/2007 14:05:13

Bloated Bingo Wings?

61

Ailsa Craig,

Near Arran 13/02/2007 14:14:28

Strangely, the pressure is always on WOMEN to be size zero.

I wonder how many size zero MEN there are out there. Or is that a rather different question?

Time to draw a veil, perhaps ...

62

morris,

edinburgh 13/02/2007 14:16:03

I think many have (rightly) presumed that the influence that this might (and it is only might)place upon young women to try and have a figure like this is a major and potentially dangerous source, and one of the few explanations available for consideration for why there are increasingly greater numbers of anorexia cases.I have often asked myself Why would anyone want to look like a skeleton? Its not in any of the medical journals that I know of with any clarity .
Personally I care little about the individual models who are desperate enough to look like this in order to secure the earnings they can earn ,that is a choice they have made,but many care about influences which are potentially dangerous to our daughters and children.I posted a semi serious comment earlier but I recognise where this argument is coming from,and agree that this cannot serve any useful purpose.
Freedom of choice is worthy of protection but where there is a toleration of influences which are dangerous there is choice certainly,(it will never be compulsory to look like Twiggy) but I would say there is an erosion of freedom!
I imagine many have ignored this (as would you),and it was brought home with a bang one day, when they attended hospital with their daughter who refuses to eat because she thinks she should look like her Barbie doll, only thinner.
That is dangerous and it does happen.
When a young girls life is at stake,I think the freedom of choice argument has a lesser relevance .Protection of the vulnerable deserves equal billing Im sure ,but individual cases will be just that of course with thankfully only a small number seriously affected.Thats no consolation if the latest death statistic is known to you personally as " ma wee lass".No one suggests that there should be a banning of anything neccessarily but there should equally not be an encouragement of what is clearly not a natural appearance for the vast majority.
Its not only the anorexic

63

Stu_R_20,

Edinburgh 13/02/2007 14:38:18

#63
I tire of the argument some women make that it is the ideals of men that produce these 2D women. This is an active choice these women make, and anyone daft enough to feel so inadequate as to want to replicate these womens weight, well its very sad really.
The resaon men don't clamour to look like male models is because most know better.

64

Ian, Yorkshire,

13/02/2007 14:40:42

#64 morris - your erudite comment puts us to shame. However I must just add...

Beefy Belarusian Weightlifter?

65

KazFarquhar,

Scottish Borders 13/02/2007 15:05:08

I may be wrong but BBW - BIG BUSTED WOMAN ?????

66

Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 13/02/2007 15:07:27

BBW=Big Beautiful Woman!

67

Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 13/02/2007 15:07:47

So I've been told........

68

AJ,

Fife 13/02/2007 15:23:14

Dave,

Were you forced to post that?

69

WI in GA,

13/02/2007 15:24:29

**LOL** @ Scaramouche #10...where dyou find the time mate? :)

70

Lanna,

13/02/2007 15:42:01

#10 excellent Scaramouche!

#70 AJ, do you remember my comment that I didn't say, because I'm a lady!?!

#43 HC, did you watch Devil wears Pravda, good film, goes into this a little. Still, as you also said, it's a shame what's been given as role models to impressionable young girls

#45 Joanna, again, interesting comment, and question.

71

Joanna,

Cambs, England 13/02/2007 15:44:49

BBW

How about Bright, Brainy Woman?

Lets get away from the references to the body all the time. After all a lot of you are probably PMAMs anyway. :D

72

Prinzowhales,

North Carolina 13/02/2007 16:14:48

One of the funniest lines I've heard was on an episode of ABSOLUTELY FABULOUS...one of the comedians said with regard to models something like...'just find some girl with her molars yanked and who has thrown up everything she's ever ate and put her on a catwalk.'

Why don't you ladies stop being the slobbering slaves of the fashion industry and wear precisely the opposite of what it is peddling? It will throw the clothing industry into complete chaos as clothes pile up, the slave labour compounds of the Third World are thrown into confusion and bargains will appear gallore as the mass-mark-up artists try to dispose of unbought inventory. It will be glorious fun!!

73

Media 1,

cape town 13/02/2007 16:21:56

Women are like cars, the sleaker and the sexier the better.

A call for fat models to be scrapped would result in a law suit so large it would break the bank, yet a call for size zero models to be overlooked is met with joy in some quarters.

I guess its all the sado inferiority complex clan who cannot get by in life as long as there is zero size models kicking about..

Its funny how society always has pity for the fat oversized people and none whatsoever for the skinny ones...

74

AJ,

Fife 13/02/2007 16:22:31

What's a PMAM?

75

Moray Stewart,

Edinburgh 13/02/2007 16:24:02

As these women are adults they are entitled to be any weight they wish. We don't need the government deciding what weight someone can be for a specific job. What comes next?

Imagine the uproar that would ensue if Dee Doncey's comment had been "I would like to see any girl with a body-mass index of greater than 30...banned."

76

Joanna,

Cambs, England 13/02/2007 16:28:16

I would say that Media 1 is most definitely a PMAM.

77

Scaramouche,

13/02/2007 16:30:21

Pre-Menstrual Adult Males??? My wife came up with that one!!!

78

Media 1,

cape town 13/02/2007 16:30:31

#72 LANA: Your use of the word role model is a joke.

If a young girl aged 18 (for arguements sake) decides one day that she wants to be a model. Does that young make a conscious decision to become a role model or a fashion model?

You see, society expects models and fashion houses to act as role models, which I feel is utterly astonishing and seriously misguided.

If a person choses to work with children, or choses a life in politics for instance, then that person is chosing to become a role model for others. But a model is merely a model, he or she have from an early age struggled to make themselves money in order to survive. Nobody has spoonfed them, nobody has given them breaks for fun, they have needed to work hard to carve open their own breaks, they have not chosen to be anyones role model and how dare society demand that they begin behaving as such.

If you need a role model then thats your problem not mine or anyone elses. Parents are their childs role models, not some model they will never meet or never know from a bar of soap...

79

Mrs Numpty,

Sussex 13/02/2007 16:34:11

Personally I shall be glad when they all grow old and there bones are not strong enough for them to stand or sit up unaided alsothe will all look like a bowl of stewed prunes.

80

Mrs Numpty,

Sussex 13/02/2007 16:35:28

Sorry about the spelling mistakesin the above

81

AJ,

Fife 13/02/2007 16:36:26

Positively Mental Action Man ?

82

Joanna,

Cambs, England 13/02/2007 16:39:06

Good try Scaramouche...... but No... :)

Like your songs btw :D

83

Sedov,

Scotland 13/02/2007 16:45:57

This all part of the rotten system that chases profit to the detriment of people.

84

Lanna,

13/02/2007 16:53:27

#79 Media1 I have a close relative who worked in the modeling industry, so I know full well the pressures and difficulties associated with this line of work. Horrible C put in quite in focus on the other article so I don't need to reiterate. You do love the wind up, don't you, Media?!

85

Lanna,

13/02/2007 16:58:59

#83 Pestering Mesolithic Adolescent-like Male?

86

Pictus,

Green Gables 13/02/2007 17:29:08

Blame it all on carrot-smoking. If a male, you end up teeny, with a wife twice your size; if a female, it's the catwalk for you! And both deprive us of the fishing rods and battleships we sorely need.

87

Pender Paul,

Canada 13/02/2007 18:42:47

Why anyone pays any attention at all to the fashion industry is beyond me. Glitz served up on a runway to create demand for clothing that is neither attractive nor functional. And how many lives are ruined?--models, child labour, chemicals, pesticides--all go into the raw materials for these items. How about looking at the fashion industry through environmental and social justice glasses? A pox on the fashion moguls.

88

The Gorm,

Cda 13/02/2007 18:43:54

Who cares?

89

JG,

Fife 13/02/2007 18:46:57

#87 Lanna
Pathetic Annoying Moronic Man?

90

JG,

Fife 13/02/2007 18:48:20

#92
I thought it read better that way round, but it does work as Pathetic Moronic Annoying Man too!!!

91

The 'Menace',

Edinburgh... 13/02/2007 19:36:40

Now...tell me?.has anyone ever cuddled a 'Bag' of
bones!,I,unfortunately,do,often,n,other nights,
a nice,10 st. girl,n,kin tell you,,it's like Chalk,n,
Cheese,the difference!,,Surely,,there's no need
for the 'boney-one's to be 'this' Skinny,it's like
comparing Blondie,n,'Skin'Becks!!,,Yukkk!!,,Naw!!

92

Branda,

Arizona 13/02/2007 20:05:05

It isn't always easy to maintain above 0, especially if you're very active and love cardio-busting sports.

Fitness instructors don’t measure BMI, as it’s not considered accurate when assessing body composition. You have to look at muscle mass, bone structure, fitness level, etc.

Personally, I think skinny guys with no butt, thighs, chest or biceps look creepier. Ewww...! Learn how to pickup a dumbbell for heaven's sake!
_______________

#45 Joanna, Cambs, England
> "What comes after size 0?"

00
_______________

#49 AJ, Fife
> "What's BBW?"

Exclusively for chubby chasers...FFW

Branda

93

Robin Bather,

13/02/2007 20:09:45

The recent death of Anna Nicole Smith was a tragedy for us men.
Now there was a real model with some meat on her bones.

94

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta , California 13/02/2007 20:11:53

#80 Mrs Numpty;

Stewed prunes don't have NO bones.

Which schroom planet do you exist on.

And neither do schrooms have bones.
Doggies and katties and homo sapienies all ave boneeees.

G'day kind Lady or ma bee u are a kind Sir.

GC

95

Georgi,

Edinburgh 13/02/2007 20:14:26

I'm extremely tired of this BMI thing. It's stupid.

I'm 5'10"--120 lbs with a BMI of 17.2

And I'm not anorexic. It's hereditary. My mother is 5'9" and 120 lbs.

SO!!! Let's stop freaking out about numbers and statistics!!

96

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta , California 13/02/2007 20:14:57

Yall know the young saying,

don't throw yer fag butts into the toilet bowl.

It makes them soggy and hard to lite.

Be happy

GC

97

william wallace,

Stirling 13/02/2007 20:22:38

73*Joanna/Cambs.....Were you looking into the mirror when you said that?I think you have just given us a very good description of yourself. A bright brainy woman.A man should pick a wife with his ears,not his eyes.You can take that as my Valentine. p.s. I cant afford a card.

98

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta , California 13/02/2007 20:24:08

#98 Georgi

I am 6'1" and 13 stone (131 lbs) I don't wear dresses, because I am a male homo sapien.

I eat like a pig and guzzle ale like a thirsty Brown Bear in the parched desert.

And I swim with the dolphins in the ocean when I am sober.

Do I have a weight problem . ? I don't care one way or tother!

Thought you would like to know all the above frivilous, worthless, boring facts , about a person unknown living 6,000 miles offshore, in the year of
the Rat 2007. Or is ir the pigeon.

Be happy and that's what matters

GC

99

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta , California 13/02/2007 21:09:49

#101 weight 182 lbs

100

Devil'sAdvocate,

Canada 13/02/2007 21:18:35

Maybe they should ban model Bianca Christians who was with Gerard Butler at the Golden Globes as she is quite skinny. I wonder what a man like that sees in a bag of bones like her! She looks like a 12-year old boy! Why don't they go back to hiring women that look like Christie Brinkley, Cindy Crawford or Kathy Ireland. Those women were models but although they were thin, they were healthy-looking! Bianca Christians looked like she was attacked by a giant piece of coral reef as all you could see was the color of her gown! The dress didn't advantage her at all as she didn't have the curves to carry such a dress. You're supposed to wear the dress and not the other way around and I swear all you could see was that awful color and a big piece of fabric on a hanger!

101

Lanna,

13/02/2007 21:28:29

#79 Media "Parents are their childs role models"...I agree with you, this is actually the ideal, and should be strived for. Unfortunately, as again HorribleC did point out, there are many outside (of the family)sources which do influence an impressionable youth.
Ferrari's are nice, but only if well-maintained...many of these models/girls are not healthy, and anorexia/bulemia is on the rise among teen girls.

#85 Prinz...here, here...I'm all for paradigm shifts!!

#93 JG. not so much pathetic as Pesky, not so much moronic as Megrim-creating! :) ...does make it interesting, though!!

102

Martha,

13/02/2007 21:34:08

Oh well, as long as there are consumers of fashion magazines and TV fashion shows there will be ultra-skinny models who will be dead at 35. Just as while gossip magazines and tabloids continue find a market for their garbage there will be papparazzi.

This skinny model thing is a lifestyle that is completely and utterly a personal choice, like promiscuous sex. I don't waste any tears on models who OD at age 24, because they chose to be where they were when they collapsed and died from diet pills, amphetamines, and whatever else they shove down their throats to keep themselves from eating properly and having the proper body weight for their height.

I frankly don't care if or that they all starve to death or overdose or go crazy from medicines that interact badly with each other. There are plenty of real starving people in the world to worry about and try to help instead.

103

Douglas,

Bathgate 13/02/2007 21:39:20

It's clearly a matter of self delusion on the part of the stick thin models who think they look good in the clothes AND the wobbly schemie burds who expose far more than anyone should have to see, especially around the stretch mark areas, when wearing the high street version

104

Douglas,

Bathgate 13/02/2007 21:41:48

Who? Me?

105

Lanna,

13/02/2007 21:43:24

Hi Douglas, I think HC meant that comment for Martha

106

Martha,

13/02/2007 21:47:15

Horrible cankers: I have daughters and neither of them is an underweight fashion model. When they were teenagers I pointed out to them the dangers of such ridiculous dieting, and also that models had short, unhappy lives in many instances. Because my girls were active in high school sports, they were never overweight, nor are they today.

You have to wonder, and I have known a few, about mothers who actively encourage their daughters to pursue such a career as modeling when there are far more useful and rewarding occupations for them out there.

107

Martha,

13/02/2007 21:52:25

It's all part of the materialistic, sex-ridden, image-based phoney values that seem to have taken over the media and western civilization in general-- that young women should be starved nearly to death to provide fodder for fashion magazines and the men who prey on them for the same shallow, vain, lustful, prideful reasons.

I find the whole thing disgusting in the extreme. When a piece of sh*t like Donald Trump and his serial wives and other models are national icons, you wonder how much longer our civilization can last.

108

Joanna,

Cambs, England 13/02/2007 22:20:01

William Wallace........ thank you :) Congrats on the 100 as well ...

Martha,

I'm glad your daughters were self confident enough not to fall into the trap of eating disorders and poor body image.

However, there are young girls out there who are not as fortunate and it is they who are at risk of starving themselves to fit what they think is an ideal size.

The fashion and media industries fixation with ultra thin women who maintain their size by drugs and cigarettes is the reason that easily influenced young girls aspire to this look. These are the people who need to be helped and lets face it one of the supreme female icons of the last century, Marilyn Monroe, was at least a UK size 16 or a generous 14.

A few more positive, slightly larger. role models like her would do young women a lot more good than trying to starve themselves to look like a size 0 model on the catwalk.

Quite a few of the screen 'goddesses' of the last century had curvy figures without a prominent hip bone in sight.

Skeletal is not attractive and neither is a young girl starving herself to death because she thinks she has to look a certain way.

109

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 13/02/2007 22:56:17

Honestly ... where do you stop ... ? So the fashion industry are to blame, is it not the fact that alot of folk are so weak and shallow these days that they look at a magazine and feel inadequate ...

If government starts interefering in what sort of 'image' an industry projects - where do you stop?

Folk with issues about looking at a skinny person and then immediately wanting to diet need to look inwards to find answers not outwards for excuses.

Of course the government has now become such a nanny for the majority of people they turn to her for every little ailment ... now the nation appears hooked on large government nanny state politics to make up for their own inadequacies or they sue someone -- all part of the blame culture - which is something alot of us find hard to swallow ...

110

socialmedic,

13/02/2007 23:12:10

#12, Eric D, when the decendants of the 800-odd million Africans cross the billion mark and come banging on your door, you'll wish those snot-nosed ignoramouses were still sqandering wealth away on obscenely over priced frocks born by the high dollar prostitute supermodels who somehow find starvation in the third world an aesthetic ideal. Clearly it doesn't stop Princes from marrying them. What an absurd world we live in!

111

Mahmoud Moosa,

13/02/2007 23:16:13

Think you're being a bit simplistic, JTD.

Too much pressure on young women by the fashion industry who are INSISTING on using stick thin women who fit into clothes made for an eight year old to model their clothes.

If they're not prejudice and they're not putting pressure on women, then why not use a broad spectrum of attractive women of all sizes to show off the gear?

Anyone who says a size 0 is acceptable needs to find a women of that size and stand beside her - it's unnatural and in the vast majority of cases it will be brought about by drugs and / or starvation: bear in mins that most women you come across will probably be between sizes 10 - 16 (US sizes 4 to 10).

112

Mahmoud Moosa,

13/02/2007 23:22:45

Voldemort 113, women are subjected to images of stick thin women modelling fashion clothes that the industry wants them to buy - the message being sent out is that this is what they must aspire to look like and that is what you have to be like to be attractive.

If the industry used models of all shapes and sizes then the mental & physical health of our young women would improve instantly.

The fashion industry should hang its head in shame. Regulate it and get it sorted, because they'll never do it themselves. The media and fashion industry have a lot of power here - time to use it wisely. To do anything less is a crime against women.

113

AJ,

checking oot Canky's orbs 13/02/2007 23:31:36

Canky,

Having a bit o' bother with the psychos I see! I'm sure they're putty in your haunds!

114

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 13/02/2007 23:38:02

120 - you have to know that I don't work for the fashion industry .. infact I'd get no awards for my dress sense.

The only crime that I can see is that people have somehow become so weak minded that they feel the need to comply with these images. It is sheep like and goes against everything I would imagine a lady wanting to be.

Instead of adding yet another layer of lazy inneffective beurocracy to our already superfat government - just don't buy the clothes that come down the catwalks on a size 0 model .. don't buy trashy magazines that serve you up this garbage .. the industry will soon change ..

But folk are not strong enough these days ... it must be easy being a leader when folk can't think for themselves.

Makes you wonder doesn't it?

115

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta , California 13/02/2007 23:51:56

#105-110-1115
Hey Martha, looks like you are improving with your rants.

I agree 100% on your comments on D. Trump , he is trully a total sleaze bag in my opinion.

But My question is;
Exactly what is Promiscuous sex Martha.

Sex is sex and thats what it is, there is no such thing as promiscuous sex.

Why are you calling the only natural bio process, that was/is the cause of "our being", promiscuous?

Unless you are relating sex to a fake cultural norm, made up by crowd control (Religion).

Neither you or I would be in this post thread were it not for sex.

SEX should be awarded an OSCAR for without it we would not exist.

Think of it this way:

If all the women on the planet stopped sex this year 2007 then, our species, the homo sapien, would become extinct by the year 2124.
That's only 114 years away.

So don't worry about the stick or non stick girl models.

But try to be a bit more recpectful of sex, its very very healthy and of course natural..

Keep your fingers crossed that women will continue to have SEX or its curtains for our species.

Have a nice day

GC

116

JG,

Fife 13/02/2007 23:55:13

#117 HC
Seeing photos of JonBenet Ramsay really gave me the creeps - poor wee thing, being made up like a junior tart with the approval of her parents. It was obscene.

It's easy for people like Martha to smugly tell everyone that her daughters have turned out well - maybe they had a good and supportive family and were blessed with a talent of some kind. Many of these models aren't so lucky. Have you heard most of them being interviewed? If you take out the "filler" noises like "so", "like" and "total" they really say nothing!! (there are a few exceptions - I think Elle MacPherson is a very astute woman, for example - but then she's not a lollipop) The point of these girls following like sheep is that they ARE weak (for whatever reason) and need encouragement of some kind to stop this abuse.

117

The Wizard,

OZ 13/02/2007 23:57:55

Seen a bit of the fashion thing on the news. The designers being interviewed certainly seem to like models who look like young boys. Personally, I find the models repulsive, nothing to hang on to. No knockers, just a couple of wee protrusions, rub some Germaline on them and they would vanish.
As for Beckham and his bag of bones, America is the best place for them.

118

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta , California 14/02/2007 00:21:24

THE OSCAR AWARDS

For 2007

WINNER FOR BEST EVERTHING

SEX, SEX , SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX.


NATURE'S WAY TO SURVIVAL

OF HOMO SAPIENS

no need for
STICK MODEL GIRLS...or.. DONALD TRUMP

Yall have a nicey day, and fly a kite.

Preferably a kite you bought in
Tiananmen Square. Beijing.

GC

119

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 14/02/2007 00:28:57

JG: You put a very sensible twist on things ... I'm essentially with Martha, whom I don't know, but she sounds like a brilliant parent - I don't think there is anything smug about it - it just that alot of people suffer from 'weak parent syndrome' (WPS)by trying to be the 'nicey' parents all the time or alternatively they just don't care about their kids ... this in turn means that the kids have no-one worth looking up to in the household so they turn to trashy mags and the media for direction.

The Government made this mess when they removed all forms of effective discipline from schools and even the family home - some parents are now terrified of their own kids reporting them for 'abuse' if they even raise their voices to the poor little darlings!

Good strong parenting with traditional values and discipline makes pretty darn certain you'll have good eggs at the end of the day that won't fall for the garbage they are being fed by the lollipop women ..

Fundamentally I agree there should be help for those who have fallen through the net ... but it is the parents who should hang their heads in shame and some of the individuals who refuse to take responsibility for their own actions and want the government to protect them from the 'bad' images that they are unable to resist ...

I am really more concerned about the mental health of a whole society when they can't filter out what is bad or good for themselves by themselves ... what is more concerning again is what the children of this generation are going to be like ... oh lordy!! Each one is going to have to have their own social worker ....

120

Georgi,

Edinburgh 14/02/2007 01:17:56

Ok, so yes, eating disorders are implorable, but how discriminatory is it to condemn skinny people!!??

What an outcry there would be if I was to say, "Fat people are disgusting and repulsive and should be banned from our televisions and movies."

??? Mmmm.......

121

Georgi,

Edinburgh 14/02/2007 01:19:15

gosh, I just used the word "implorable." Which, incidentally is not a word!!

:)

I meant "deplorable."

122

Martha,

14/02/2007 01:39:43

Fat people are already banned from most movies and TV, except when they fill some comic or purposefully disgusting role. There is an active bias against the overweight and the obese in the western countries.

What can you do with people who have such fantasies of themselves that they're willing to sacrifice their health to act out by starving themselves? And what can you do with parents who push this kind of activity?

Social pressure is the best way, but then, these people flock together from the time they enter their baby into her first beauty contest, so that's their world.

So all that's left is to ignore them.

123

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta , California 14/02/2007 02:22:30

#128 Georgi.

Anorexic stick people, and Corpulent obese people are extremes, hanging on the Homo sapien skeleton.

They did it to themselves, its their business, their lives, leave them alone.

Only rebuke them if they use your tax money to get medical attention.

But here in the US we have tens of millions of people sucking off the taxpayer, plus our so called leaders Bush and gang misusing our money on war.

The masses of people who's egos hang on fashions, are insecure.

So in a pollitically correct US fashion.

HAVE A NICE DAY.


GC

124

Stu_R_20,

Edinburgh 14/02/2007 02:48:41

#130 Are you fat? Your a true crusader for the less athletically pleasing people in this world.
Obesity should never be encouraged, its disgusting.

125

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta , California 14/02/2007 03:02:05

#129 Georgi.


Your statement:

I just used the word "implorable." Which, incidentally is not a word!!

Prey tell kind lady

Explain how you can use a word which you then state is not a word.

Vot is zur logic fur dis ?

Gc

126

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta , California 14/02/2007 03:16:35

#116 Socialmedic

your comment:
over priced frocks born by the high dollar prostitute supermodels who somehow find starvation in the third world an aesthetic ideal.

Hey hey man,

How do you know the supermodles are prostitutes?

Have you paid one for sex?

GC

127

St Monance,

Toronto 14/02/2007 05:16:26

The solution will come when one of these super-thin models faced succumbing to a health crisis sues the agencies, designers, fashion houses, etc. for requiring health-threatening diets to secure employment. Hit with horrendous damages and costs, the industry will opt for models that have not risked their lives to parade as stick-thin clothes' horses. These children who acquiese to the industry's demands are to be pitied and protected: and if the industry exploits them, hopefully the legal system will set things right.

128

Nemo,

Fife 14/02/2007 10:30:16

Ignoring all the unsubstaniated personal prejudices voiced in the preceding comments, has nobody considered the fact that most of these fashion gurus who set the parameters for the models are as gay as a maypole and only want scrawny females who are evocative of pubescent teenage boys?

Call me Freudian but my opinion is that there is no intention for the models to represent the people who admire and want to wear the clothes, they represent a unilateral fantasy.

129

GalacticCannibal,

14/02/2007 16:05:43

#132 Stu_r_20
Wot a rude question you ask #130 Martha.

"Are you fat" Of course Martha is not fat she lives in Flodida.

Anyway I am the only person here who is allowed to ask rude or so-called- rude questions.

Don't you know everyone in this Scotsman thread is paranoid.

So put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Have a nice day

GC

130

Friend-at-large,

It's in the Eye of the Beholder 14/02/2007 19:44:28

A slim friend was in a modern dance lesson with her slim Japanese teacher, both females, and the teacher told her "You could lose some weight." The student was a UK size 8 and busty in a nice way. Of course when I heard of it I thought it was funny because the girl had already been limiting her calories and couldn't function on less than 1000 a day. This was a person who was naturally curvy and I would guess the Japanese lady was likely born with a smaller frame.

131

Jodie from USA,

Abington, Pennsylvania 14/02/2007 22:11:30

Being from the USA, I am not proud of the fact that most people here are overweight/obese. Also, I am not an advocate of the "skin and bones" type either.

Call me naive.... I just can't understand why society (fashion industry in particular) can't accept that the human body is a work of art in itself. What is wrong with women (depending on their height) being a size 8, 10 or even a 12 (USA sizes)? Why are men even put down if they are not "extremely built up" or "a perfect Adonis"?

I don't believe our bodies were created to be at extreme weights (too thin or too heavy).

The fashion industry is a business. I don't feel it should be viewed as a way of life. The designers in particular should be educated in the field of humanity. These designers appear so very inhumane to me. They want what they want and that is that. Well, I'd like to smack them upside their heads and say "GET REAL!! Get over it! People are not walking mannequins!"

Even if I came into some real serious money, I would not buy any of their designs. 1. They don't look functional, 2. The styles don't look like quality styles (they might rip the first time you wear it) and 3. Way too pricey for what you are actually getting. (I'd buy or make a toga instead, LOL!)

I know I am not voicing a popular opinion, but it's just my view of this subject.

Smile and have a good day!


 

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