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Published Date: 03 November 2006
BRITISH military scientists routinely subject goats to severe pain and fatal injury as part of their research on navy submarines, the government has admitted.
Adam Ingram, the armed forces minister, confirmed in parliament that live goats were placed in chambers which were then depressurised to simulate an emergency aboard a submarine.

Depressurisation has a range of effects on the goats, including suddenly rupturing their lungs.

Ministry of Defence scientists use goats in the test because, they say, their reactions are similar to those of humans.

Mr Ingram said the MoD's "duty of care to submariners during both normal operations and in an emergency" justifies "continued investigation into sequential improvements in escape and rescue procedures and ... experiments on large animals".

Animal rights groups condemned the practice. Ross Minnett, of Advocates for Animals, an Edinburgh-based anti-vivisection group, said: "Animals don't wage wars, so why should they be made to suffer because humans do?"



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1

Gloryhunter Leith,

03/11/2006 06:35:46

Maybe they're just kidding...

2

billengland,

england 03/11/2006 07:31:33

1 and 2

This is no joking matter.

I cannot believe that there is so little knowledge of decompression that these crude experiments are justified. Appalling and deliberate cruelty to animals.

3

Dougie, Edinburgh,

Kazakhstan 03/11/2006 10:03:04

Why not just use some gypsies instead?

4

Doreen,

Glasgow 03/11/2006 11:51:57

This is just appalling, absolutely appalling and they should be criminalised for this.

5

Shergar,

Easter Road 03/11/2006 13:55:32

Oh dear, another sympathy for the animals story. Quiet week for news then.

Animals are expendable. Trained submariners are not.

6

Gloryhunter Leith,

03/11/2006 15:06:45

Must have goat on som'dae's nerves

7

Doreen,

Glasgow 03/11/2006 18:06:17

Shergar......BRANLEUR!

8

Shergar,

Easter Road 03/11/2006 21:27:08

re 8

Sorry I would have replied earlier but my hands have been full all day...

Are there any genuine medical people out there that can explain what is so special about the anatomy of a goat that makes it ideal for this type of research? I'm guessing a comparable lung size. Would a primate have been more suitable?

9

Agent 99,

03/11/2006 21:30:34

[6] Shergar: Animals are expendable.

Hmmm. Does that include the animals at the MOD who ordered this then?

And since you go by such a comical moniker, would you like to join too?

Seriously, has 40+ years in the North Sea taught these people nothing? Any oil exploration company could have filled them in on decompression issues. Talk about not-invented-here, pompous little rat-faced civil servants. Send them to Iraq, or better still, the bottom of the North Sea.

10

Jimmy Krankie,

Glesga 04/11/2006 08:34:12

As long as the goats are fit for the BBQ afterwards then its not a total waste..... Id hate to see the poor wee things die in vain

11

Choosername,

05/11/2006 20:58:28

If they know the goats have similar reactions to humans, why do they need to test their reactions?

12

Brian1,

Dingwall 06/11/2006 19:55:04

The problem is they can't find enough volunteers from PETA to get their lungs ruptured, so they have to use animals.


 

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