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Published Date: 08 June 2008
JUSTICE Secretary Kenny MacAskill wants Scotland to pilot a UK-wide licensing system for airguns, banning possession for all but a small number who could prove they need the firearms.
MacAskill has written to the Home Office asking to be allowed to run an airgun licensing pilot scheme north of the border, which would make it illegal to posses an airgun without a permit.

The Home Office has given the proposal a cautious response
and hinted that the pilot would mean different systems operating north and south of the border.

The Nationalists have been pressing for tougher rules on airguns in Scotland, claiming they are a bigger menace north of the border than they are in England. Around 500 crimes committed each year involve airguns in Scotland.

The SNP has already been rebuffed in its efforts to have responsibility for firearms laws devolved to ministers in Edinburgh rather than being a matter for Westminster.

MacAskill has now written to Jacqui Smith, the Home Secretary, asking to be allowed to run a pilot programme in Scotland that would see it made a crime to own an airgun without a licence. Moreover, anyone wanting a licence would need to justify why they needed an airgun – for example, being a farmer who needed to shoot small animals or a member of a shooting club who wanted to practise.

In his letter, MacAskill says: "Given your position expressed in our previous correspondence on the transfer of responsibility for all firearms legislation to the Scottish Parliament, I stand ready and keen to pilot ideas here in Scotland which emerge from the debate on firearms reform, including stronger controls on air weapons, for example, through their incorporation within a simplified and coherent firearms licensing regime."

Last night he added: "This is not about radically different approaches either side of the border, but about working collectively to tackle the real concerns in our communities. Quite simply, we must not and will not allow firearms to get a grip on our communities."

A Scottish Government source added: "We think we should have control of firearms law. But failing that, we should be allowed to pilot our own plans in Scotland. There are people in the Government down south who agree with us on having a tighter scheme for airguns. This would allow them to see how it would work and they could bring it in in England if they wanted. Just try it out in Scotland. We would urge them not to put the Home Office's own administrative convenience before the safety of Scottish communities."

The Home Office gave the letter and proposal only a cautious response and hinted that recent changes in the law should be allowed to bed in before any more amendments.

A Home Office spokeswoman said: "We will carefully consider the proposals in the letter with a view to ensuring that the safeguards we have in place are effective and improvements are made wherever possible.

"We have worked closely with Scottish ministers to develop measures for inclusion in the Violent Crime Reduction Act 2006. These measures have only recently come into force and it is important that they are given time to have an impact before considering further legislative change.

"These measures include increasing to 18 the minimum age for buying or possessing an air weapon and making it an offence for a person to sell or transfer air weapons by way of trade or business, unless they are registered with the police as a firearms dealer."

Colin Sheddon, director of the British Association for Shooting and Conservation Scotland, said: "We realise that there is a problem that needs to be addressed. There are too many incidents involving air weapons. A licensing scheme could work as long as it recognised the categories that do need to use air weapons: game shooting practice, pest control and target shooting."

Gun law

• Air guns are considered firearms and fall under the control of firearms legislation.

• It is an offence for any person, regardless of age, to carry an air weapon and ammunition into a public place without a reasonable excuse for its possession. Air guns cannot be taken into buildings or onto private property if the owner has not been notified.

•It is illegal to fire an air gun at humans, protected wild birds, or any other animals, including pets. Live quarry shooting is allowed. Air guns cannot be fired with the intent to damage property.

• Air guns cannot be used by anyone under 17 unless they are at a shooting gallery, are a member of an air gun club, or are supervised by an adult. Those aged 14 to 17 can use an air gun unsupervised as long as they are on private land and have permission from the owner.

• Air guns do not require a licence unless they are over the UK legal limit of 12ft lbs muzzle energy for rifles and 6ft lbs muzzle energy for pistols.





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  • Last Updated: 07 June 2008 11:15 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Airguns
 
1

subrosa,

08/06/2008 00:21:26
Isn't it just ridiculous that our Justice Secretary has to write to Westminster to ask permission to do something like this?

Roll on independence.
2

Nikostratos,

08/06/2008 00:36:51
snp stirrers at it again anything to cause a argument.......air pistols get real have you any idea how easy it is to gt hold of a 'Real' gun in scotland
3

moral___superiority_,

08/06/2008 00:42:54
Where is that SNP bore Senga Jean?

She always gets first post.

Fingers crossed she has left the country.
4

Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 08/06/2008 00:44:14
Clever b*ggrs, fail on one level....devolve powers to Holyrood, then ask for a much more difficult to turn down 'pilot' scheme.

Do the words 'door' and 'back' spring to mind, not necessarily in that order?

subrusa, no 1. Every time Holyrood has to ask Westminster for permission to do something it gains converts to Independence, when it's request is turned down, that number must be multiplied by 1000.

Roll on Independence indeed.
5

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08/06/2008 04:50:27
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john z,

edinburgh 08/06/2008 07:08:09
So, let me get this right, the justice secretary of the Scottish government had to ask permission for the powers to control the airgun menace in Scotland from London. This was refused.

He has now offered to run said scheme as a pilot for the UK. Again permission refused.

It is an utter travesty that the democratically elected government of Scotland cannot act in the interest of the Scottish people. Airguns are an absolute menace in Scotland, and make the lives of some scots in some areas an absolute misery.

There are many, many people in Scotland who would welcome the actions of the Scottish Government.

What next, will Alex Salmond have to go down, and get on his knees and beg to Jacqui Smith, the English home secretary? What a disgrace.
7

W U Merchant,

Aberdeen 08/06/2008 07:46:12
This is a sensible move.
8

Publius,

Girvan 08/06/2008 09:05:17
MacAskill should realise that shooting people with airguns is a part of our Scottish culture, like knifing women, drunkenness and drug addiction. If he really thinks that having a certificate will make any difference, he is an even biger idiot than he looks.
9

W Smith,

Middle East 08/06/2008 09:59:13
#12
Good point, unfortunately Salmond doesn't understand Trident and the Iraq War are reserved matters but that doesn't stop him rabbiting on!
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08/06/2008 10:55:46
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 08/06/2008 11:23:31
From the Sunday Telegraph
08/06/08
“An ICM survey for The Sunday Telegraph puts the Tories on 42 per cent, 16 points ahead of Labour’s 26 per cent - the lowest figure the party has recorded in any poll by the company.
Labour, which recorded 40 per cent in a poll shortly after Mr Brown entered No 10 last June, are only five points ahead of the Liberal Democrats, who are on 21 per cent.
Labour's lead over Nick Clegg’s party is the smallest for more than 20 years while David Cameron would be heading for a parliamentary majority of almost 100 if the findings were repeated in a general election.”
The general election may yet be 2 years away, but already the choice is starkly clear.

The Labourtories are already unelectable in England, we so have a simple choice to make; either suffer another decade of English Tory-tory rule, or go for the Scottish independence option, which would allow us to implement our own laws regarding issues such as gun control, as well as everything else we would wish to do.
12

Allan(handofgod137),

08/06/2008 12:12:05
Another stupid idea from the scottish numpty party, why not ask for the power to reduce the duty on fuel instead?
13

Hmm ...,

08/06/2008 13:06:40
... why is it that, of all the SNP ministers, Kenny is the only one who is as inept as the Labour placemen we have been plagued by since devolution?

It isn't the availability of airguns that should be legislated against - it is the already illegal use that a very small minority is putting them to.

We already have the laws to protect the public from this use, why can't we have police to enforce that law?

We need more police in action to protect and serve the public, not more legislation to enable the police to book someone they happen to come across.

Kenny needs to rethink his whole approach to Justice - or step aside for someone who will.
14

livilion,

livingston 08/06/2008 16:10:32
17 Allan(handofgod137),
That would be the fuel price regulator then that Alex Salmond has been asking to be implemented to offset the runaway fuel price inflation everyone has been hearing so much about lately?
15

livilion,

livingston 08/06/2008 16:20:08
18 Hmm ...,
Let's think about that one.
Tobaco and alcohol are regulated by law to who can buy or sell them. Misselling these will result in court action against the individuals involved and removal of the licence of the vendor.
Shouldn't firearms carry at the very least the same strict regulation bearing in mind how much more quickly they can kill their victims.

The fact that kids can buy drugs and alcohol on the street I don't believe is sufficient arguement for lifting the licensing of these, why should we tolerate merchants continued selling of lethal weapons to youngsters in our communities?
16

lulach mac gille coemgain,

08/06/2008 20:18:40
SNP seeks gun pilot scheme north of border

can I just question the headline to this article ? North of which border ? The Scotsman publications preffered Political Border ? The English Border (in which case what relevance has this?) The European Border ? The Border of acceptable freedom ?

Just what border and why does Murdo McLeod feel the need to mention BORDERS ?
17

Allan(handofgod137),

09/06/2008 10:26:39
#19, I'll explain it to you in simple words, Alex has asked for a share of the extra fuel duty, NOT for the power to determine the rate of duty in Scotland. As to your point at #20, firearms and air weapons sales are also regulated by law as to who can buy or sell them. You should also be aware that a glass lemonaid bottle is a lethal weapon. The truth of the matter is that this is yet another smokescreen from the tartan trots to draw attention from their failures.
18

Mike in Montreal,

Canada 10/06/2008 19:12:31
Wow, your politicians are REALLY out to lunch... what is next, a ban on pointy sticks and rocks?

It is just too bad your elected officials don't put half as much effort trying to catch the bad thugs and criminals as they do trying to control their trustworthy citizen.

 

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