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Published Date: 09 February 2008
THE American government has approved a plan to give the people what they most want – free money.
Congress has agreed a gigantic £80 billion tax rebate, enabling nearly every single taxpayer to get a £300 cheque in the post.

Both Democrats and Republicans have endorsed the giveaway, the first of its kind, which they say will provide a flurry of spending to stave off an expected slump.

Americans fear a recession may be looming given a freefall of housing prices, tightened credit and sharply lower stock prices.

The economy has surpassed the war in Iraq as the main worry of US voters.

Petrol prices that are far higher than the relatively inexpensive cost Americans are accustomed to had the electorate complaining for more than a year.

But many suspect the giveaway, agreed on Thursday night, is more to do with buying votes in the run-up to this year's presidential election, and some economists doubt the package will have the desired effect.

The plan also leaves a giant hole in the US budget, already facing a near-record deficit.

President Bush first proposed the giveaway earlier this year, arguing that a stimulus package would work better if the people, rather than the government decided where it was to be spent.

"We are in a period of economic uncertainty and we've acted again," Bush told a conservative conference in Washington yesterday.

"I want to thank the members (of Congress] for passing a good piece of legislation, which I will sign into law next week.

"This bill reflects our principles. It is robust, it is pro-growth, it stimulates business investment and it puts money into the hands of American consumers," he added.

Democrats quickly approved the idea, either because they believed it will work or because they feared voters might otherwise turn against them.

And this week they pulled back on demands to increase the programme still further, dropping calls for extra money for the unemployed and food stamps for the poor.

As a result, and in near record time, the stimulus package will become law when, as expected, Mr Bush signs it early next week.

This timetable will ensure that 130 million taxpayers get their cheques in May, when many economists predict America will be in the middle of full-blown recession.

But many doubt that this is the best way to stimulate the economy.

This cash will not be found by savings, but by borrowing the money which future Americans will one day have to pay back.

"We'll probably end up borrowing the money from the Chinese," said Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee. "And when we get these rebate cheques most people are going to go out and buy stuff that's been imported from China. I have to wonder who's economy is going to be stimulated the most."

But Huckabee is a lone voice among presidential candidates from both parties, most of whom do not want to be seen to be objecting to a measure that puts cash in the hands of voters.

Officially, Congress hopes that the rebate, which includes an extra £150 for every child a family has, will inject money into an economy slowing fast under the effects of the sub-prime housing crisis.

But this cash giveaway will widen still further America's huge debt, a debt already facing controversy – because this week President Bush presented America's first $3 trillion budget.

The budget does not include spending on Iraq beyond America and slashes costs of health care for the poor and elderly, but still leaves America with a $407 billion debt, only a shade off the record debt of $413 billion dollars from the 2004 budget.

And the true level of Federal spending will be higher still, because Bush has not budgeted funding for the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, now costing £5 billion per month, beyond December.

Meanwhile the elderly and the poor will be furious that their already pared-down medical benefits, much of it already paid through social security contributions, will be further cut.

And many voters worry that the stimulus plan, adding another $168 billion to this bill, leaves the country ever further in the red.

"If the money was coming from cuts in spending that would be a different story," said Paul Krasucki, a manager in a New York softwear company. "But stimulating the economy by getting further into debt, that's not a stimulus."

Administrator Maria Garcia was more positive, saying that with the country falling into recession every little bit helps. "I'm not going to spend it, I'm going to save the money in the bank."

DARLING NOT TO FOLLOW ON
ALISTAIR Darling, the Chancellor, yesterday rebuffed suggestions that other countries would follow the US example and cut taxes or increase spending to avert a worldwide recession.

Britain and other members of the G7 group of leading industrialised countries are expected to reject such measures.

"The first thing is that conditions in different countries are not the same," Mr Darling said.

While George Bush's stimulus package was appropriate in the US, "other countries are not in the same position".

Some economists believe that the Bush stimulus package will provide only a temporary fillip to the US economy, with consumer spending falling again in 2009.

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  • Last Updated: 09 February 2008 12:00 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Scullion,

Canada 09/02/2008 01:53:43
America was born from a tax rebellion but this version smacks of Marc Antony's ruse to use Caesar's money to sway the mob.
If the American government truly wants to help the economy, end the idiocy in Iran and spend those billions per month of tax money more wisely.
2

lou from niagara,

Niagara Falls.Canada 09/02/2008 02:22:51
This is Geo. Bush's way of killing the American economy for the Democrats. He is the worst President in the history of the U.S. Clinton had the economy headed in the right direction if precariously, and then along came George. War with Iraq, crank up the war machine at 93 Billion a month, allows the sub-prime morgage etc etc. He is the worst thing to hit the western world ever. The sad part is there are American's who think he is doing a good job.
3

Hamish MacBeth,

NZ 09/02/2008 02:32:54
Totally agree 1 & 2, Bush has been a disaster for the US the world, also the enviroment.
4

W Smith,

Middle East 09/02/2008 03:25:51
#1,2 and 3
Rubbish - haven't got a clue.

The US economy is still outgrowing the combined economies of the EU.

The worst President was Jimmy Carter as far as the economy is concerned.

Sorry to spoil you're little party.

As far as Scotland's economy is concerned I think think the Scots should get there own house in order.

Gordon Brown spent £167.5 billion on quangos in his last year as Chancellor.

By comparison this £80 billion is peanuts considering the USA's population is about 5 times that of the UK (300 million comapared to 58 million).

By population, 8% of that quango figure should could have been spent in Scotland.

8% of £167.5 billion is £13.4 billion.

That would have increased Holyrood's budget by almost 50%.

Alternatively, Brown could have given every adult in Scotland, say 2.5 million, a wee gift of £5,360!

BTW
Under Bush the 'neocon' every resident in Alaska gets an oil revenue cheque.

Alaska has its own fund from the oil revenue and its only the interest, not the capital, from this fund that is handed out every year.

No such thing exists in Scotland even with all the socialist talking about the 'equal distribution of wealth' bull&*^".

NEXT!
5

Aoda,

Pennsylvania Wilds 09/02/2008 03:35:49
First of all Bush hasn't given anybody money. Congress passed a bill authorizing it. Bush signed it but if he vetoed it there was enough votes to over ride it.

#1, Should we let Iran get the bomb while it is advancing with missle technology?

#2 Carter was by far the worse president, I lived thru it. As far as Clinton goes, he inherited a sound economy from Regan and our economy was not in very good condition when he left. As far as sub prime loans, they have been going on for several years and I have yet heard or read where they are illegal. Not saying they are good either.

6

Aoda,

Leeper 09/02/2008 03:39:43
oops.....menat to say there are enough votes to over ride it.

Also they are not giving us any money, they are returning it.
7

Hamish MacBeth,

NZ 09/02/2008 04:11:14
Carter did not drag his country into a illegal war, which is going to cost trillions, not to mention hundreds of thousands of lives.
But then that doesn’t matter if your a mate of baby Bush:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=511973&in_page_id=1811
Smith "The US economy is still outgrowing the combined economies of the EU" The US does not have to get certain counties up to the a EU standard, like Romania, Poland, Bulgaria etc. Do you think thats cheap?
As for quangos, I agree.
Aoda: Regan bankrupted the US, he was a fool, like Bush.
8

Mallory,

Edinburgh 09/02/2008 05:16:41
Our Government can do much better - looks as if they are about to hand over billions to Branson and a £3000 to each of us.
9

sceptic,

09/02/2008 08:13:31
Bush isn't giving money to anyone he is just taking less from people than he intended this year. It makes a lot more sense than the increase in tax take which will be the likely action of our own chancellor this year. Instead of people spending their own money Darling will continue to take it to spend on failed computer systems, quangos run by cronies, Northern Rock, MPs increased pensions etc.
10

albanman,

Edinburgh 09/02/2008 08:57:17
The 3rd paragrpah of this article incorrectly states that this plan is "...the first of its kind". In 2002, when I lived in the US, every taxpayer received a cheque for $300 from the IRS; it was designed to put money into peoples' pocket so that it could be spent and boost the economy. By 2002 Bush had already reversed Clinton's budget surplus and the $300 was pure populist foolishness which didn't work. The US is even deeper into deficit today, and Bush goes back to the same tired old trick in the vain hope that this will (a) stimulate the economy (b) persuade people to vote Republican in November. Neither will happen.

No.4 (W Smith from the Middle East)displays an ignorance of US tax law. The money which Alaska gives to its population each year does indeed come from oil revenues - which is state, not federal,income. The annual bonus has nothing - nothing - to do with eiher the federal government or Bush. The oil is also the reason that Alaska does not have state income tax, just as the revenue from gambling means no state tax in Nevada. The federal government has nothing to do with state income tax which may, or may not, be levied by each state (which also sets the rate). Without the gambling and oil the good folk of Alaska and Nevada would most likely pay state tax. The discredited 'neo-cons' can't claim credit for this bonus, nor can Bush (who has arguably been the most polarising US president in history).
11

Mcsnagpile,

09/02/2008 09:22:11
The real solution is to wait for an answer from the eyeballs in the sky.
12

Gothic Rose,

09/02/2008 09:38:41
All Swings and Roundabouts.
13

Black Five,

edinburgh 09/02/2008 09:48:31
Comments 1& 2 spot on.Only thing we had laughing boy to back him up.How the hell the gullible in U S and U K voted this pair of idiots back in beggars belief.Hope both parties are emptied come poll time .
14

treacleswamp,

09/02/2008 10:53:16
Thats another £80bn borrowed from China. One day they'll want to look after all of their people decently, and want it back. Will USA use its military might to dissuade them?
15

Gothic Rose,

09/02/2008 10:57:28
15.Never mind sunshine.Things will get better:)
16

Duncan in Edinburgh,

09/02/2008 11:35:07
#4 You're a classic. Or should I say, your a classic - I see you have been redefining the rules of grammar.

This "£167.5 billion on quangos" that you quote. I assume you realise that that includes NHS trusts, police forces, fire and rescue services, and whole range of other essential services?

I fear that you are a classic example of a little knowledge being a dangerous thing.
17

Robert Matheson,

Sierra Madre, California 09/02/2008 12:21:18
"The American government has approved a plan to give the people what they most want – free money."
That's an outlandish statement from what must be an arrogant and ignorant reporter!! As a Scottish-American and I take great offense at being characterized as wanting free money more than anything else. The thing we want most is a new president, one who doesn't reduce the nation's income at a time when he's increasing the cost of the federal government. Shame on you, Chris Stephen.
18

E300,

TOMICH 09/02/2008 12:45:40
19
"This "£167.5 billion on quangos" that you quote. I assume you realise that that includes NHS trusts, police forces, fire and rescue services, and whole range of other essential services?"
He probably also realises that Brown has "manufactured" a record number of new quangos and that the 100% increase in NHS spending has delivered a <10% improvement.
19

Gramma Kitty,

Portage Lakes Ohio USA 09/02/2008 13:07:26
1,2, 11, and 21 know of what they speak.

I have watched my country become more corporate/business dominated each and every year, with the taxpayers subsidising business but unable to afford health care.
It's disgusting and becoming fascist. Our rights are eroding and the wealthy get more and more leaving less for the producers.

This money shall help, and most folks I know will use it to get food and/or pay off some debt.

I've lived here under presidents Eisenhower through Bush II and I PAY ATTENTION.

There is absolutely NO EXCUSE for a government to spend billions on an illegal invasion and occupation of yet another country, bullying other nation states into submission because of g*dd*m business interests while the citizenry is not even provided healthcare for all the taxes paid.

I have watched as many of my fellow countrypersons leave the US for Canada, Aruba and elsewhere because they cannot stand it here anymore.

When I was young I was told the evils of communism, which were laid out as:
a) The elite few have all the money while basic needs of the populace are ignored
b) Freedom of movement is restricted and one must have ID at all times
c) Freedom of speech is curtailed
d) People's homes and persons can be searched without warrant
e) People are "disappeared"

HELLO, is this NOT what is going on in the US right now?

Make no mistake, this is part of the military industrial complex Eisenhower warned us of.
20

John M. Slusser II,

Nantwich 09/02/2008 13:27:41
Whoa - 23 - take another Geritol tablet and knit another pillowcase, or whatever it will take to calm you down. There have ALWAYS been "elite" - and there ALWAYS will be. The US was founded by wealthy white land owners, and it is still owned by wealthy white land owners. And I laugh out loud at a practise adopted by all the "world power" governments - mind you it is a very deceptive one that has been swallowed, hook line and sinker for nearly 70 years now - it is called a nationial budget deficit. The US sells, thats right, sells - thousands of government pamphlets, circulars, and lists every month, one of them is a listing of federal government job vacancies. That one publication sold for $30 way back in '92. Conservatively, if only 1 million people bought that list, it would generate $30 million - and that is just ONE such publication, sold month in month out. And what an utter and despicable load of the worst swilled codswallop of a lie - the US beholden to China? The media may appear (and the media, despite the decry to the negative, is paid for by the highest bidder) to make the US to be a megolithic bumbling conglomerate, but nothing could be further from the truth - the true powers in the US are the most shrewd, calculating, and dangerous (when their ire is touched off) people you ever want to deal with, and trust me, you don't. The US holds China and quite a few other countries in a grip of debt TO the US, not FROM the US. In the US, since the days of the Sons of Liberty, the media there has had but one use, stir up the populace, who does not know and will never know the TRUTH about what their government does - and in a thoroughly stirred up state, the government can pull whatever strings it wants to get done whatever it wants. Orwellian you say? Codswallop - it has been this way long before Orwell's ancestors came to America. So forget all the froth and bubbles the public is ALLOWED to see, and wonder instead about that which the public CANNOT
21

John M. Slusser II,

Nantwich 09/02/2008 13:30:12
see. Oh, and by the way - it works much like that here in Merry Olde England, and all other modern countries - so if you prefer to fool yourself and get lost in the minutia of the froth and bubbles, enjoy. Otherwise, do your bit where and when you can, and march on. If you enjoy living on stress that you create yourself by trying to out think, outflank or even understand the worlds jaded and crooked governments, enjoy. I for one will remain aware, do my bit, and live my life to its fullest.
22

davehead,

PA 09/02/2008 13:40:25
This is not FREE money. It comes out of any refund that you may be entitled to next year. It amazing that Bush pushes tax cuts for years and then bankrupts our economy with 2 wars simultaneously and then gives out billions to "jump start" his broken economy.
23

Cjennings,

Sterling 09/02/2008 13:42:54
Thank you numbers 4,5 and 26. You have it correct the other comments are rubbish.
24

Gramma Kitty,

Portage Lakes Ohio USA 09/02/2008 13:50:05
#25

Rest assured I am calm.
When you said, "I for one will remain aware, do my bit, and live my life to its fullest."
This is EXACTLY what I am doing... as well as exposing a little bit of danger and hypocrisy.
I am well aware of the government (more like world business) power to do as it pleases in the name of capitalism. Doesn't mean I'll sit back quietly.
Peace,
Gramma
25

Carlyhh,

New York USA 09/02/2008 14:27:32
This article has so many factual errors it's hard to know where to begin.... But the essential errors are that this payout is a "refund", that "every taxpayer" is getting money--and that it's "free". False!!

Only people with moderately low incomes will receive checks; many of these people did not pay Federal income tax at all so their payout is not a "refund". And for those who did pay tax and will get a check, the money comes out of the pocket of those who paid 90% of the total Federal tax bill in the first place. This money is NOT "free"--it comes to the recipient courtesy of his slightly higher earning neighbor. For example, a person who earned $70,000 will be getting "free" money, courtesy of his neighbor who, because he earned $80,000, will NOT be getting a check.

This "stimulus" plan is a shell game, yet another way to covertly redistribute wealth. And it won't work because it doesn't address ongoing financial concerns as an across the board PERMANENT tax cut would.

26

Pelon,

On the stoop at "WaH Mot", waiting for the doors t 09/02/2008 15:40:22
Embarrasing, isn't it? We're lectured about responsible spending day in and day out. We're encouraged to save for our future, for the times when we're to expect we'll have less income.
Yet, we are being forced (yes, we have no choice) to receive a disbursement from our federal government in some amount ($300 at the least, up to $600 for a wage earner, $1200 for a married couple earning wages, another $300 for each dependant child) we will probably have to report as earnings & pay taxes upon next year. Remember that maybe we won't, but maybe we will - not one word is heard of this.
I have every expectation to receive $1800. What would I do with an $1800 check that fell out of the sky? I'll pay the d*&m bills!
What is my "incentive" to defer the windfall to buying products and services? They say I should react to my governments strong interest in reviving the economy, to correct the downward economic trend?
To such trends caused by my governments crappy business practices (yes, a business, always has been - voting was reserved to the share holders of the Virginia Company, and others like them, upon investment and authorization by the crown of, yes, England)), including the spending of our treasure on war?
Oh yea, I'm ready to do that. Yep. Here, let me help you out Dubya. LOL! Get outta here! I have bills to pay!
27

Martha,

Miami 09/02/2008 15:44:15
You people are amazingly ignorant of America. Congress holds the purse strings in this country. The President doesn't have one red cent unless Congress gives it to him. The President presents a proposed budget to Congress, which then analyzes that budget and decides how much or how little they're going to give him of what he requests. We have a tri-partite federal government consisting of an executive branch (the president as chief executive), a legislative branch (the Congress) and a judicial branch (the federal courts and the Supreme Court). Each one acts as a brake on the other, to prevent and/or rectify excessive behavior by any branch. The President can't take any money from anywhere without Congress's approval. And as for "free money," where do you think the money came from in the first place? It came from taxpayers. A tax rebate is NOT "free money." The government had the use of that money until returning a very small part of it. Really, you ought to learn more before you print such drivel.
28

Martha,

09/02/2008 15:52:12
The economic principle involved with tax rebates is that returning dollars to citizens usually prompts many (not all) of them to go out and spend it. This should in theory provide a little jump-start to the economy because it reduces retail inventories, thereby prompting more orders to manufacturers. Some people will save the tax rebate. Good for them, because their savings aren't static. Banks and other financial institutions use savings accounts in their daily financial operations in order to make more money by their own investments. Investments are the life-blood of commerce, providing capital to companies for R&D, expansion, new ventures and so on. All of this means more jobs for more individuals. More jobs mean, for the government, more tax money. For companies, a better bottom line. Fot the individual citizen, a better job, or a new job, means a higher standard of living and no more need to receive public assistance.
29

Bill S.,

USA 09/02/2008 16:16:36
Ronald Reagan paved the way for tax receipts to grow. That's right, grow. As a result of the tax cuts he championed through Congress the economy grew. The current giveaway is none too bright, however. As this will be like throwing gas on an open fire as far as the destructiuve effect to our economy. As a stimulus it won't due much. We have a $14 trillion dollar economy so do the math. If a houshold earns $140k and someone injects $1600.00 that won't do much except cause inflation. All the garbae that Congress is talking about - both Republican and Democrat members - is designed to save the bankers from themselves. No one President is to blame. It's Congress and the Federal Reserve Board. Our slavish devotion to John Maynard Keynes and his failed theories will turn the US into a third world country. Martha, God bless you, but if you think that this "stimulus" idea is a good thing sit down and write a thank you letter to your great grand children. It's their money we're stealing.
30

Laurette,

09/02/2008 16:30:46
Carter was by far the worse president, I lived thru it.

I think History will give Bush the title of the most corrupt - far surpassing Nixon. Apparently you think nothing of the shredding of our Constitution by this man.
31

Laurette,

Carlsbad, California 09/02/2008 16:44:36
We have a tri-partite federal government consisting of an executive branch (the president as chief executive), a legislative branch (the Congress) and a judicial branch (the federal courts and the Supreme Court). Each one acts as a brake on the other, to prevent and/or rectify excessive behavior by any branch.

Martha: We HAD 3 branches of Government. Now we have a Unitary Executive who does whatever he likes to do. Congress sends him a Law that they've passed - he signs it, then adds a signing statement that says he can ignore what they want and he is the one who will decide what it means. We now have a Dictator in the White House and not a President.
32

RTS,

Washington State, USA 09/02/2008 16:57:20
"Free" money it is not. Our government already spends more than it takes in so this payout will be made with borrowed funds - Treasury bonds purchased by China with dollars spent on imported goods. This will cost the recipients much more in the end than they receive. Desperate measures by desperate and myopic politicians.
33

Fairfax,

09/02/2008 17:14:06
Scullion (1): "America was born from a tax rebellion but this version smacks of Marc Antony's ruse to use Caesar's money to sway the mob."

Aren't you complimenting Bush here? Mark Antony's ruse was successful, of course: together with Octavian Caesar he went on to defeat Brutus and Cassius, following which the Republic became the Imperium. MA died after Actium, of course, but his progeny became emperors: Claudius was his grandson, Caligula his great-grandson IIRC.
34

Sambo,

09/02/2008 19:02:48
As for taxation, remember the Boston tea party.
35

Lynn,

Madison, Wisconsin, USA 09/02/2008 19:04:35
Two points:
1. This isn't "free money." Where the heck do you think it's coming from in the first place? Duh, multiple times over.

2. It isn't the first time it's happened, either. The same thing happened during Reagen's first few years.

Sure, it would be nice not to be well on the way to a recession, but this administration had it's heart set on the Irag "war" since the very beginning, to hell with what the people on either side wanted. If they couldn't have gotten into Iraq, I'm sure they would have come up with some other excuse for a fight.
36

Susnashine,

United States of America 09/02/2008 20:14:31
WOW! I am an American citizen and I can tell you right now the very first line in this article is completed and utter RUBBISH! Americans do not want "free money more than anything", we want a Government for the people and by the people with ALL the people considered. Bush is a Lame Duck and I can say Thank God I never voted for him.
37

mcbogtrotter,

calif 09/02/2008 20:44:59
# 26 you are quite right, keeping the people fragmented allows goverments to do as they like in the US and abroad.
I will remind you all of one thing though, every EU nation has at one time or another started or participated in a war, and as far as Scotland and England it was a way of life for centurys. But one thing is true the United States has never taken soil from any nation war or not.
We are not perfect but there is nothing better anywhere are there inequities you bet take the Calif budget for example it is 145.5 billion dollars there are 36,553,215 people in calif i dont know for sure how many pay taxes but if only 25,000,000 did that would meam that my share would be about 5900.00 dollars that being the case how come then that I pay 8000.00 dollars a year tax on my home and my wife and I pay 9.3 percent on our income to the state and another 8.25 percent on every thing that we purchase we make 100,000.00 a year yes i did say make nobody gives us anything so I suspect that the disparity in this goes to pay for a socialist system ergo people who work pay for those that dont or those whose disires are greater than their aspirations.
The US is supposed to be a capitalist sociaty so how come its more like socialism, no wonder more people want to come here than anywhere else. And then we have to listen to everyone on the dole cry.
The fact is we are probably the most caring and giving nation on the planet think about it.
38

Sambo,

The deep south 09/02/2008 21:14:22
Think about it folks, the poorest people in the US are far,far better off than other people in 9 tenths of our planet.
Ronald Reagan cut our taxes, so did John F Kennedy. Both realized that putting more money in the hands of the worker would ultimately boost the economy.
Think about it UK as you tax you're citizens into oblivion.
39

John Blackley,

Winter Garden, FL 09/02/2008 22:14:57
Well, another typical Scotsman 'debate' - filled with the usual facts, conjecture, opinion and name-calling.

One thing that did (pleasantly) surprise me about the article was to see sense being spoken by a presidential candidate - Mike Huckabee. The United States will have to borrow this money - in the form of a bond issue - and, as usual, the Chinese are favorites to by the bulk of these bonds. As Huckabee says, a fair portion of this borrowed money will be used to buy goods manufactured in China so the overall winners of this 'giveaway' will be - altogether now - the Chinese.

Regardless of who is or was 'the worst president of all time' (anyone got a vote for Millard Fillmore? Anyone? ) no-one can possibly argue that the current one has been good for the US economy - okay, well you can argue but it would illustrate a remarkable ignorance of economics to do so.

Fighting a war on two fronts (Iraq & Afghanistan) that costs trillions of dollars per month (and, oh by the way has absolutely nothing to do with Iran 'getting the bomb, previous poster) can only be ruinous - even if we consider just the financial effects.

Of course, from where George sits, this may be A Good Thing. George and his clique are no fans of John McCain - the current front runner for the Republican presidential nomination - and might equally wish to see a Democrat in the White House for the next four years as See McCain get it. Now, what's the likeliest way to ensure that the Republicans win it back in 2012? You' re right and you're a smart bunch - the likeliest way is to make sure that the economy is rocky when they leave office and in extremis four years later.

Our li'l Georgie may be dumb but he ain't stupid. He hasn't forgotten Clinton's motto from his first campaign.
40

Pelon,

At the bank... 09/02/2008 23:11:45
Well, pick it apart...
Cash? No, a check. Prominently branded "VOID if not presented for payment within 90 days".
Bonanza? No, unless it's more than you've ever seen before. Does $300, $600, or $1200 equate with a "BONANZA"? Bite yer tongue. For school teachers it can be two weeks pay. Bonanzas are won.
For US taxpayers? Sure, and even some who don't pay taxes. Now please tell how does that help the economy? Make some people happy, sure. Buys some Republican votes, sure. Drains the coffers, no argument.
Bush gives away? No, Congress does it. Er, we take it back, uh, we keep it? So why am I to spend it? I mean, it is mine, isn't it? Can't I do with it what I believe is best for my circumstances, which may well foster improvement in the economy as we all might by these means feel confident that we have our finances under control?
£80bn? I have no clue, exchange rates, you know. I suppose that's $160 billion dollars, give or take a sixpence, hmmm?
Tax refund? OK, they are giving the money back, after earning interest on it for five to seventeen months. I suppose the feds think we can get a better return on the money than the government can.
But "free" money? Never heard of that. Must be something Georgie said to some reporter. Oh, and no, he isn't stupid, and he isn't dumb. He's simply the most dangerous chief executive this country ever had. My opinion, of course.
I've a mind to buy a case of good single malt with my "bonanza". Would that stimulate the Scots economy? :)
41

seillean a mhirdenibha,

Williamsburg 09/02/2008 23:39:24
Hmmmmm. Free money??? The last time Bubba gave us "free money" my annual federal income tax bill increased by about $800 over the previous year, though there was no equivalent increase in my family finances and earned income. Sort of wiped out the $600 of "free" money that we got from the govt. That rate hasn't really gone down either. But then, I'm on the low end of the middle class. It's the upper income folks, those making over $200,000 each year that get the largest tax breaks. And before the neo-cons over here start screaming at me, five percent of American citizens own fifty percent of the wealth of this country. They only pay 39 percent of the taxes, at the most.

My true discretionary income has been going down under Mr. Bush, not up. I suspect that it will be those of us on the lower half of the income spectrum that will pay for this war that is such a huge benefit for the war contractors and the oil companies.

Agus sin mar a tha e.
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mk-ultra,

Edinburgh 10/02/2008 00:01:55
The value of the dollar has fallen by 60% under the Bush administration, a large number of manufacturing jobs have been moved to China and the country is being flooded with illegal immigrants.
I don't think a one-off payment of $600 is going to make a lasting impact on the economy.
Still, look on the bright side, martial law is just around the corner, I'm there will be lots of new jobs in the domestic security/surveillance industry.
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Lynn,

Madison, Wisconsin, USA 10/02/2008 00:39:20
We're trying!! Believe me, WE'RE TRYING!!!!!!!!
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mk-ultra,

Edinburgh 10/02/2008 03:10:23
Elect Ron Paul and shut down the Federal Reserve...that would be a good start.........
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Billy Boy,

Sherman Oaks 10/02/2008 06:07:46
It's.good.to.see.such.fervour.from.readers.on.a.topic:.But.why.this.one?To.call.it.a.-Bonanza.is.ridiculous!.First,the.$300.is.peanuts,also.it.is.not.free,it.is.taxpayers.money.-and.most.of.those.who’ll.receive.it.DO.NOT.NEED.IT!The,USA,is,in.actuality.bankrupt,in.about.20.years,or.sooner.we.will.totally.collapse.under.the.weight.of.our.debt.The.-mantra.of."make.as.much.as.we.can.NOW".has.placed.our.future.in.real.jeopardy,-virtually.sealing.our,fate.by.ensuring.that.we.won’t.be.able.to.recover.from.the.greed-that.has.permeated.our.society.;Politicians,.knowing,they,can,benefit.now,from,-giveaways,to,special.interests,have.guaranteed.them.benefits.that.cost.us.heavily.and.will.be.impossible.to.pay.Captains.of.industry.operate.under.the.same.criteria,offering.long.-term.incentives.to.workers.while.at.the.same.time.taking.obscene.ammounts.in.short.termbonuses.and.perks:.Multimillion.dollar.handouts.have.long.become.standard.and.often.-from.companies.which.eventually.collapse.At.the.same.time,.we.have.a.huge.poverty.-crises:an.incalculable.homeless.population:huge.societal.problems.Just.today,over.30.-people.-have.been.killed.in.non.criminal,related,shootings!!We.spend.more.on.prisons-than.we.do.on.education!Almost.a.third.of.our.population.cannot.afford.to.visit.a.doctor!.We.have.long.been.in.denial,continuing.to.spend.huge.amounts.on.foreign"aid",Space.-exploration.and.weaponry,while.at.the.same.time.allowing.our.infrastuture.to.deteriorate-Our.transportation.system;sewage.and.power;drinking.water.supplies.are.all.in.utter.-chaos.Very.few.substantial.public.works.projects.have.been.carried.out.over.the.past.-30.years!.Just.as.ridiculous.are.the,posts,somehow.blaming.Jimmy.Carter.for.much.of.-this.!The.fact.is;he.was.the.only.President.in.my.timewho.had.the.foresight.to.try.and.endthis.mad.rush.to.destruction.People.chose.Ronald.Reagan.because.he.had.a.nice.smile.-and.ignored.reality,leaving.the.running.of.essentials.to.his.Vice.President:I.did.not.-support.Carter.at.
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truthsleuth,

South of the Border 10/02/2008 11:52:09
We left the Keynsian system because balance of payments went awry.
Now the @system' that replaced has gone pear shaped.
Difference is Governments 'correct' the system by encouraging more personal borrowing to buy more imported goods that simply worsen balance of payments in the west and fuel imports from the East.
At least the Keynsian system invested at home and improved infrastructure the current system depletes investment at home and encourages it abroad.
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Itchy,

10/02/2008 19:26:36
"THE American government has approved a plan to give the people what they most want – free money.

Congress has agreed a gigantic £80 billion tax rebate, enabling nearly every single taxpayer to get a £300 cheque in the post.

Both Democrats and Republicans have endorsed the giveaway, the first of its kind, which they say will provide a flurry of spending to stave off an expected slump."

How on earth is this a giveaway or free money? Left wing drivel from the writer.

#53 "At least the Keynsian system invested at home "

Keynes was a supporter of dictatorship and his economics are just a rehash of the mercantilist fallacies refuted by Adam Smith.

At root, Keynes believed in a free lunch and there is no such thing.
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Tradamus Lampada,

Canada 12/02/2008 05:29:29
Bill S @ 34
Reagan may have stimulated the economy with his tax cuts but like all Republican administrations, those so called advocates of "Conservative" fiscal policies left office and the US with a larger deficit and more debt. Your country far from being "slavishly devoted" to the wise counsel of John Meynard Keynes is in fact deeply devoted to the insane and discredited philosophy of Milton Friedman and his cabal of free market capitalists.

Itchy #54, what a load of crap you spew forth when you say that "Keynes was a supporter of dictatorship" you appear to be trying to revise history. In fact Friedman and his gang of "Chicago Boys" have and still do support every dictator dating back to their protoge, Pinochet. It is Freidmanism, not Keynsian philosophy that has led us to the current state of affairs that we find ourselves in, unbridled Corporatism. If the "people" of the US do not awaken to what is happening to their much revered and vaunted democracy, it will dissapear and be replaced by a Mussolini style fascist state, you are already part way there.
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female republican,

us 12/02/2008 20:50:46
You know the one thing that everyone agrees is that BUSH SUCKS right? Yea. Well I'll agree with most of the rest of you when saying that we have had some horriable presidents. The thing I want to see now is a democrat take over and I think we will all see a dramatic change.
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Tradamus Lampada,

13/02/2008 04:50:02
#56 female republican.
I think that a democrat will win, however I fear that you will not see much dramatic change, not unless the electorate get out in massively unprecedented numbers and vote for Obama. The problem with government in the US is that lobbyists, of all kinds, exercise too much influence over your elected representatives. For real change to occur, the whole system needs to be cleaned up. Why, for example does it take more money to win the presidential nomination, than some countries have in their entire economy?

 

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