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UN chief snubs opening of Beijing Olympics



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THE UN secretary general has become the latest high-profile figure to miss the opening ceremony of the Beijing Olympics.
Ban Ki-moon said "scheduling issues" would prevent him from travelling to the showpiece event, which has been dogged with controversy due to China's role in Tibet. Mr Ban's spokeswoman told a news conference: "The secretary general had conveyed to the Chinese government some months ago that he may not be in a position to accept the invitation due to scheduling issues."

The UN boss is planning "a substantive visit to China" instead, the spokeswoman said.

Human rights campaigners have called on world leaders to skip the opening ceremony on August 8 to protest against Beijing's ongoing crackdown in Tibet.

Prime Minister Gordon Brown and German Chancellor Angela Merkel will not be attending the opening, while French President Nicolas Sarkozy is considering staying away. US Democratic presidential candidates Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton have called on President George Bush to boycott the ceremony.







The full article contains 170 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 11 April 2008 11:31 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: 2008 Olympics
 
1

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 11/04/2008 12:10:31
"US Democratic presidential candidates Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton have called on President George Bush to boycott the ceremony".

...Yes, that would be appropriate as Bush and cohorts are responsible for the deaths of countless and the torture of many.
2

Biker,

Ayr 11/04/2008 12:18:17
Do the Chinese actualy want Charlie the chimp at the ceremony?
3

Mashimaro,

China 11/04/2008 12:33:18
Biker: Frankly it would be a whole lot easier if no one came *grin*
4

Black Beard,

11/04/2008 14:12:10
Way to jump on the band wagon Ban.
5

Dáithí,

San Jose 11/04/2008 14:52:36
#1 - lhtt

>"..Yes, that would be appropriate as Bush ..."

How come you never complained about Saddam? Because murders are fine with you as long as they're helpful from an anti-US/UK/Jewish perspective, I see.

Bush Derangement Syndrome - seek help now.
6

mike - across the pond,

a meaningless myopic gesture.... 11/04/2008 15:51:11
where have you people been for the last 50 years?

news flash DOLTS.... Tibet has had despotic chinese occupation for OVER 50 YEARS....

where was billary during her 8 years in the whitehouse.... oh wait... I remember now... she was fighting the "vast right wing conspiracy"...

obama yeah he was busy exposing the government's injecting the aids virus into black american communities...

and the UN? WHERE have they been?

its ALL friggin meaningless... according to the Olympics timetable.... (moscow in 1980... USSR implodes in 1991) by 2020 China will break up into its constituent pieces... question is will china have a leader of Gorbachev's quality to preside?
7

P.K,

11/04/2008 16:52:44
Dáithí

You can also question those terrorist apologists, Jihadist supporters or Islamist sympathisers why they don't complain or condemn vociferously about the thousand of civilian deaths in Rwanda and Darfur in Africa.
That's because the Americans and Jews are not involved in the killing there. Oh yeah, also because of Bush Derangement Syndrome!
8

Fitzpark,

Durham 11/04/2008 16:57:38
China has the leaders it deserves and has been busy for the past 7 years ensuring that the these Olympics are going to be a PR disaster.

C'mon Dáithí, George Bush is un-effing defensible especially if you live in the US. Gordy Brown now, there's a man to look up to......sort of.
9

Biker,

Ayr 11/04/2008 19:55:50
PK. Done that, still doing that. Still must be perfect up there on your high horse.
Seems that Dafty still has smoke in his eyes.
10

Dáithí,

San Jose 11/04/2008 21:01:31
#7 - PK

>"You can also question those terrorist apologists ... why they don't complain or condemn vociferously about the thousand of civilian deaths in Rwanda and Darfur in Africa.

I have continuously done so in many of my past threads PK, and it's usually the single comment that draws the most hateful responses.

I've noticed that most of the 'attackers' stand FOR nothing but AGAINST everything, and pontificate as if they had some moral ground for doing so by occasionally posting 'international law' which they won't pay to enforce or 'human rights' which consists of screaming at Olympic Torchbearers.
11

Dáithí,

San Jose 11/04/2008 21:13:10
#9 - Diker

>"Seems that Dafty still has smoke in his eyes."

Hardly - for instance I noticed that you avoided talking about the correctness of PK's Darfur statement, instead of demanding that he 'get down from his high horse'.

The only smoke around here Diker is the smoke that you're blowing out your a...
12

Dáithí,

San Jose 11/04/2008 21:18:45
#8 - Fitzpark

>"C'mon Dáithí, George Bush is un-effing defensible..."

Since his job approval rating has consistently been better than the Democratically controlled Congress, apparently a lot of people feel they'd rather defend him than them.

"As he (Gallup)also notes, the Democratic-led Congress has had a very brief honeymoon and stands lower in Americans' eyes than President Bush"

http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2007/08/gallup-approval.html
13

Fitzpark,

Durham 12/04/2008 02:16:42
#12 Daithi - And your point is...?

The US congress is a load of w*ankers, how does this defend Bushie?
14

The Daleks,

Longmen 12/04/2008 02:59:16
Bush?

Got to be the worst US president in living memory.

Talking about leaders and China, I see that the former CPC boss of Shanghai has just been jailed.

Don't be fooled into thinking this is some sort of crackdown on corruption in China, because it's not.

Chen was from the Shanghai clique, a group who formed part of the power base of former leader Jiang Zemin.

Up until recently, Jiang retained a significant amount of residual power due to having placed cronies like Chen in significant positions, which they still retained under the new leadership clique of Hu and Wen.

Hu, however, has been moving to consolidate his power recently, and as a result a number of Jiang's placemen have suddenly found themselves charged with corruption.

Of course corruption is everywhere in China, but it's OK to be corrupt so long as you pay your bribes or belong to the right CPC clique.

Last June several hundred slaves were discovered working in Shanxi Province, and number of CPC bosses were implicated right up to senior provincial government level. The matter has since been swept under the carpet.

Let's just hope that all of the athletes who selfishly go to Beijing are proud of themselves for taling part in the Olympic Slave Games.



15

Dáithí,

San Jose 12/04/2008 04:33:11
#13 - Fitzpark

>"The US congress is a load of w*ankers,"

I see, you're one of those guys that stands against everything but for nothing. If you don't like him, and you don't like what the opposition offers, then why don't you let us know what you stand for?

>"how does this defend Bushie?"

Why defend Bushie? If you don't like him, vote for someone else.

After 4 years in office, Bush presented his case to the American people in 2004 and was re-elected. He defended his positions to the American people, and a majority agreed to have him continue.

Don't be under the impression that he needs to defend it to you, or that you merely claiming that it is 'indefensible' makes it so.

16

Dáithí,

San Jose 12/04/2008 05:29:04
#14 - Daleks

>"Got to be the worst US president in living memory."

Only if you're 7 years old or less. Compared to Carter, he's one of the best ever.

Hillary - the female Jimmy Carter.
17

The Daleks,

Longmen 12/04/2008 07:36:38
#16

Carter didn't turn almost the entire (non-politician) world against the USA in the way that Bush has done.

Bush has proved to be an unmitigated disaster for the US in the hearts and minds of most ordinary folk. Not only that but he has handed the apologists for the likes of China a stick to beat the West with.

He's a complete disgrace, and a monumental failure.

History will not judge him kindly.
18

Mashimaro,

China 12/04/2008 07:41:33
#14 People have been arrested over the Shaanxi slavery incident I think three were sentenced to death - I would have to check that. The problem with the western media is they love to sensationalise the crimes but never report the follow through so it seems like Beijing is doing nothing.
While I am as sure as you are that there is cat pawing going on in Beijing, I doubt there is a country in the world where it is not.
So while you like the world to think that Beijing support slavery - which of course it does not - let us remember that you country openly supports the slaughter of women and children. Let us remember that it too lies to its people, and it too snatches people and tortures them, sometimes to death.
Now the Chinese people, as we are constantly reminded on this board, don't really have a say in running the country.
You, as we are constantly reminded, are the people who choose your government.
Soooo, my derranged friend, that is rather like an infected man thinking he can be a physcian, neh?
19

postmark54,

Chongqing, China 12/04/2008 07:49:44
#18,Mashimaro,
Well put, they keep throwing it in our face that we can't vote, but that also leaves them to answer for their government's actions, for they voted them into power. They have a way of painting themselves into a corner, don't they? That's why their governments and media can brainwash them so easily. nobody home in the brain department.
20

The Daleks,

Longmen 12/04/2008 09:09:53
#18 Trollmallow

There were a couple of arrests, but it was factional. The whole scandal, involving hundreds of real genuine slaves captured from their villages and put to work in the brick kilns has now conveniently gone away.

There's nothing to check. Those are the facts.

And whilst we're on the facts, slavery exists right across undeveloped China. Women, children and young uneducated men are regularly abducted and put to various uses.

The Chinese people in rural areas are aware of this, because it's so large scale that it can't be hidden, people they know/relatives disappear, and provinces like Guizhou actually have sections of the police force dubbed "Anti Slavery Squads" but it's merely window dressing, and the abductions with the say so of local and provincial bosses continues.

Unlike you and Skiddy 45, I don't attempt to excuse the actions of my government, and you can rest assured if I could vote them out of office I would.

You pair of trolls however, continue to excuse the gangsters in Beijing.

I actually find you more amusing than annoying.

You Bunny, for your obvious trollism, and you Skiddy for your obvious lack of any grasp of what's going on in China.

21

The Daleks,

Longmen 12/04/2008 09:13:59
No death sentences were handed down, and it was Shanxi, not Shaanxi!!

Two completely different provinces.

I'm surprised you made such an elementary mistake.
22

Mashimaro,

China 12/04/2008 09:16:52
Daleks... tell me something I don't know. I've already mentioned this - see children working in fireworks factory. Now you can see why a faction of the government would dearly like to return to communism. They could just get the chance if Hu and his crew are ousted. What's it going to be, capitalism or communism?
23

Mashimaro,

China 12/04/2008 12:34:40
#21 Indeed you are right, those higher up were expelled from the party and reprimanded.
24

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

12/04/2008 13:18:19
http://www.gnn.tv/threads/13788/Concentration_Camp_for_Organ_Harvest
25

P.K,

12/04/2008 13:19:00
#9

So, my post seems to bother you so much that you needed to response. The only reason seems to be, most probably you're one of those terrorist apologists! No doubt, you felt annoyed when someone pointed out the truth of the purpose you terrorist apologists come here for. The only one with blinkered and smoke in the eyes is none other but YOU!
26

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

12/04/2008 13:20:23
Ex-Communist Party chief jailed





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View GalleryTHE former Communist Party chief of China's financial capital, Shanghai, has been jailed for 18 years for his role in a massive bribery and corruption scandal involving the city's pension funds.
Chen Liangyu, who was also a member of China's powerful 24-seat Politburo, was the highest-level Chinese official to be dismissed in a decade.


The full article contains 61 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.Last Updated: 11 April 2008 9:24 PM
27

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

12/04/2008 13:21:10
4 legs good 2 legs even better......
28

Biker,

Ayr 12/04/2008 13:40:47
PK lets set the record straight here. I do not condone violence in any way shape or form, and never will. The actions of my Government in many instances is deplorable, but they will be held accountable come next election. I am neither a jihadist sympathiser, where that comes from is anybodies guess. I would however urge you to consider why people become such. It takes 2 to tango after all.
Dafty get a grip and stop inhaling. Your post make even less sence than usual.
29

Biker,

Ayr 12/04/2008 13:45:31
Dafty..... Dyker, was that your attempt at humour? not very good.
30

Mashimaro,

China 12/04/2008 13:51:45
Biker: "The actions of my Government in many instances is deplorable, but they will be held accountable come next election."

Big whoop. You keep on replacing them with other people who do the same stuff. How about prosecuting Blair for his lies that got your soldiers dying huh?
31

P.K,

12/04/2008 14:02:31
#28

Even your post made less sense than usual! You confessed to not condoning violence in any way but why then always single out Israel or US for human rights violation when your Muslim brothers have been in the habit of suicide bombing, targeting civilians and indulge in terrorism? Likewise, I would also urge you to consider why Israelis are provoked to retaliate in defence, so you said it takes 2 to tango.



32

Mashimaro,

china 12/04/2008 14:09:16
Lets see if your lying press publishes THIS story anytime soon. I would wager not...
******
"Only those who have experienced harsh winter know most the warmth of sun," said Saijor Zhoigar, the former vice president of the Tibet University, after comparing his life before and after the democratic reform of Tibet in 1961.

Zhoigar became a grazing serf at the age of seven, and didn't have enough to eat and wear at that time

Even in the first half of the 20th century, Tibet remained a society of feudal serfdom under theocracy.

"An earthquake hit my hometown Biru County in 1953, with cattle buried and tents destroyed, which made our miserable lives even harder," recalled Zhoigar.

"But the Tibet local government continued to levy head tax, and they even snatched the only small piece of butter which my family stored for the Tibetan new year."

"In 1957 the north Tibet was swept by a snowstorm, I was 11 years old then. As the only labor force in my family, I had to herd for the serf owner and collect cow dung for heating, despite the snow half my height."

"My family worshipped living Buddha. Every time I was struggling to get myself out a snow pit, every time I was starving in freezing weather, I kept wondering where was the god and the living Buddha," said Zhoigar, tears on his face.

The 62-year-old man removed the tears, "a huge snowstorm hit the north Tibet in 1987, also left cattle dead. At the critical moment, the central government sent helicopters to drop food, fuel and other life necessities for residents there, what a sharp contrast," said Zhoigar.

Serfs made up more than 95 percent of the population in the old Tibet. Owners sold, mortgaged and bartered serfs as just one more kind of property.

"The People's Liberation Army (PLA), who helped Tibetan people to quell an armed rebellion with an attempt to separate Tibet from China in 1959, saved me and sent me to a school in Lhasa. I was later
33

Mashimaro,

China 12/04/2008 14:15:28
cntd ****

The 62-year-old man removed the tears, "a huge snowstorm hit the north Tibet in 1987, also left cattle dead. At the critical moment, the central government sent helicopters to drop food, fuel and other life necessities for residents there, what a sharp contrast," said Zhoigar.

Serfs made up more than 95 percent of the population in the old Tibet. Owners sold, mortgaged and bartered serfs as just one more kind of property.

"The People's Liberation Army (PLA), who helped Tibetan people to quell an armed rebellion with an attempt to separate Tibet from China in 1959, saved me and sent me to a school in Lhasa. I was later sent to study in a school in the inner land."

Like many children of former serfs, Zhoigar eventually entered a college and had a decent job upon graduation.

"A serf became a government official, and even a leader of modern university. It's like a dream. But it;s a real story of me. I often said to myself: how great is my country, and how great is the new Tibet," said Zhoigar."



34

Biker,

Ayr 12/04/2008 18:53:05
PK Read your own post. I take the stance that as two of the worlds superpowers we should lead by example. Perhaps this is why China looms on my radar as highly as it does.
You mention the Isrealis. I wonder how many more people they have killed, maimed and desroyed by comparisons to the Pallestinians. Go check
But back to the issues
Mashimaro. At least I get the oportunity to replace my government, of come to that critisize them, Do you?
Mills and Boon would pay a fortune for that story. I've just Googled Saijor Zhoigar and got zippo, so perhaps you can tell me where I can lay my hands on a copy. Or even anything with this mans information.
35

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

12/04/2008 19:43:25
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha....!!!

Biker..I found that story allright....auld Mushymarra plucked it right out of the mouth of the CCP..word for word....'The People's Daily'...China's propoganda machine...

HERE MUSHY PAL WAKE UP...! WEE QUESTION FIR YE PAL!!

WIS THAT YOUR NEWSPAPER EH,... OH EMINENT HACK OF THE CCP????...

What a belter...what a cracker...oh it disnae git any better than this....

Aside from the merriment....so you are telling us that the Tibetans are now far better off under the CCP regime?...GTF ya hauf wit...two wrongs do NOT make a feckin right.....

Thick as shoite inranecko a boattle!
36

Dáithí,

San Jose 13/04/2008 01:32:05
#28 - Diker

>"Dafty get a grip..."

#34 - Dyker

>"I wonder how many more people they have killed, maimed and desroyed by comparisons to the Pallestinians..."

Get a grip yourself Dyker, are you still whining about 'parity of casualties'? By comparison, the US and UK had far fewer casualties than the Germans and Japanese, do you see this as 'unfair' also?

Dyker, I've had more respect for you than F**k Off and lhtt, you're not going to descend to their level and claim that fewer lives lost is a sign of failure, are you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties
37

Mashimaro,

China 13/04/2008 04:36:11
It is not a People's Daily story. They might indeed have used it, but it did not originate from them. Interesting though that not a single western paper picked it up. Not even to day "alleged, or claimed". I guess it just didn't suite the picture they want to paint of Tibet with their lies. So much for a free press eh?
38

postmark54,

Chongqing, China 13/04/2008 05:17:22
#37 Mashimaro,
These people have slammed the doors to their minds shut. They refuse to believe anything other than what they have been exposed to all of their lives, so you and I can talk until we are blue in the face, they only believe what they are allowed to believe, that has been their upbringing. Common sense eludes them, therefore it can't be true that 1.3 billion people can live in a Communist country and can be happy. Never mind a westerner, one of their very own. I am lucky that I got wired differently,
giving me that ability to think for myself, that of course is heavily frowned upon in the west, but think for myself I do.
Strangely enough this population of ours keeps growing, with so many forced abortions and executions and all those other unspeakable things that happen daily. Damn, I got caught thinking for myself again. Bad habit.
39

Mashimaro,

China 13/04/2008 06:31:01
#34 "I take the stance that as two of the worlds superpowers we should lead by example."

A super power: "STOP" says Gordon Brown, "or...uh.. um.. oh yeah or I'll say STOP again." You're not a superpower, you're a joke. What was it...a tiny spot? Norway has more clout in the world than you guys do. Puhleeze.

"Lead by example?" What have you been smoking dude? What example would you like to lead with? Afghanistan 1 or Afghanistan the sequal? Iraq "how we screwed over the very country that was keeping the middle east stable so we could feed the oil barons and arms dealers?" or the "friends of Augusto Pinochet" club. Maybe the example you'd like to lead by is "we have the most cctv cameras in the world to spy on our citizens" or indeed perhaps your "citizens" themselves "we allow whacked out muslim fundamentalists to rape our women, that's how good our women's rights are - or we like fundamentalist muslims who bomb our people so we'll pay them the dole while they plot against our taxpayers" or how about "LET THAT CHILD MOLESTER GO BACK AND DO IT AGAIN".
Perhaps the great example you want to set for us is your "pay the people to breed like rats instead of taking care of education and health" cos that's working our really well for you.
Don't dellude yourself that you have any chance to "change your goverment". Because if you do then you're all freaking chi si! You chose Tony "the poodle" Blair??? WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU.
40

P.K,

13/04/2008 09:20:41
#34

And also read your own post. What do you mean by "we should lead by example just because of being world's superpowers? Aren't we all considered as human beings or is it because the Third World/developed nations are less human??? All human beings erred and no one is perfect. Each one is capable or stupid as the others. Why differentiate, to group each nation into categories or classes? Do you suppose the Israelis are more likely to commit atrocities than the Palestinians? The truth is, both are as capable as the others.

All you ever do here is raved and ranted against the Americans and Jews while avoiding making criticisms or even to condone terrorism carried out by your Muslim brothers. You wondered the number of people the Israelis killed in comparison to the Palestinians. Ask yourself - who are the troublemakers started the whole conflict in the first place? If the Palestinians have given up terrorist activities and suicide bombing, stop shooting rockets and teaching their kids to hate later to become suicide bombers or go for jihad, then casualties would have been prevented.

Furthermore, there are hundreds of thousands of Black civilian deaths and rapes in Darfur than the Palestinians. That is what you tried to evade this subject because the killing was done by your Muslim Arab brothers and NOT the Jews or Americans. The Black people are also human beings like everyone of us.
41

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

13/04/2008 11:25:36
38...Aye Skiddy you're 'wired differently' allright...wired tae the bliddy moon sunshine....you would need to be as thick as shoite not to understand why your population keeps growing....but please do not attempt to use China's population growth as a screen to hide the facts re its population control...ie forced abortion and murder....

http://www.gnn.tv/threads/13788/Concentration_Camp_for_Organ_Harvest

37....liar!....you lifted it word for word......
42

Mashimaro,

China 14/04/2008 13:21:15
#41 You have no clue as to how newspapers work, do you.
43

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

14/04/2008 13:50:48
...are we talking chinese newspapers here or wot?
44

Mashimaro,

14/04/2008 15:59:08
western newspapers...well, no they're a terrible example of partisan reporting these days... how about "independent" news papers?
45

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

14/04/2008 18:43:06
Aye Mushy darlin...you widnae know whit an "independent newspaper" wis if ye wiped yer erse wae it....
46

Biker,

Ayr 14/04/2008 20:02:15
Mashimaro. A poiny of interest. At present Rupert Murdoch is attempting to negotiate with your Government regarding SKY broadcasting. Now as it happens he also owns many of the dailly publications in the west and US. Why would he allow printing of lies if he was trying to engratiate himself with your government. Perhaps because there is more truth than lies?
Diathi. I take no pride in insulting people on line but unfortunately it sometimes becomes nessesary as this is the only language some people understand. I also choose to defend myself voiciferously as required. But thank you for your comments.
47

Mashimaro,

China 15/04/2008 03:49:54
#44 So in other words, you know feckall about how a newspaper is produced. Let me enlighten you. Reporters gather local copy and if, like ours, they have offices in different places, they gather it from those places too. That very much depends on the size of the paper and its funding, of course.
For the rest of their news they have stringers - people who write for them and for other publications but are not employed by them.
They also use the wire services. News wires are supplied copy by numerous agencies - Reuters, Associate Press, Agence France-Presse, EPA, SAPA, Xinhua, IRNA, Novosti etc etc. Once a story goes out on the wires any newspaper subscribed to the wires can use it. No doubt the People's Daily has the same arrangement.
48

Mashimaro,

China 15/04/2008 03:54:37
#46 Rupert Murdoch - yeah, that's a free and independant media for you.
I don't know how many of these lying papers and news stations belong to him. But I know what I saw on Sky yesterday... comments about the "crackdown" in Tibet and pictures of police in NEPAL beating monks with long sticks. It's not difficult for anyone who knows the PAP uniform, can tell the difference between a Chinese and an Indian face and realises that the PAP doesn't use canes to beat people, that this is a blatant lie.
49

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

15/04/2008 10:22:41
47...MushyHeid darling....if the stories that you copied and pasted here have come from 'The People's Daily'...(which they had) then I have no doubt by the time they reached the press their original text had altered somewhat....that is if they originated anywhere else in the first place...which I dont believe...Aye.."No doubt the People's daily has the same arrangement"....aye, you'l have nae doubts aboot that Mushy auld bean eh?
50

Biker,

Ayr 15/04/2008 10:37:12
Mashimaro. My comment being that if Mr Murdoch was trying to ingratiate himself with the thugs in Beijing why would he let his other interests inpinge on that. I merely state that the rest of the world is resolutely NOT out of step with China.
PK Let me start by saying that you seem to be all over the place retoricaly.
What I sais if you care to re-read the passage is that the UK and US and China) should be leading by example. That is to say with fairness and equinimity to all, including its own people. Now I understand that the UK does not glow with pride regarding its past record, but that is why I post on site and condem where needed.
Whilst I agree that both Palestinians and Isrealis are as bad as each other, perhaps the Isrealis take it to another level with their US supported militery. Perhaps a post for future headlines eh? lets stick to the point.
Darfur. perhaps if the Beijing Mafia spoke up then there would be less killing in the region, or do you deny your countries involvement?
51

P.K,

15/04/2008 18:07:08
#50

What sort of language is this – retoricaly??? If you meant to say rhetorical, I’m surprised you have difficulty in spelling it! Obviously, you disagree with my point of views but that has nothing to do with being rhetorical, merely you’re trying to find an excuse. Anyway, it was you who have been rhetorical, seeking to emphasize the notion whereby UK, US and China should be leading by example. But why should they? We are all human beings and born sinners. It’s human nature to err. So I fail to see any good reason why you have to classify each nations into different categories or which is which should be leading good example whereas others can misbehave!

Somehow you have finally agreed the Palestinians are as bad as the other and this is suffice to tell they too are as capable to achieve in reaching the same level as the Israelis where killing is concerned, funded and assisted with munitions supplied by their Muslim brothers and jihadists.

Darfur – Get a grip. The main culprits are your Muslim Arab brothers who are labelled as the Janjaweed (Muslim Black Arabs) or do you deny your Islamists play no part in the genocide? On Beijing Mafia, refer this to Mashimaro if you are interested in about the Chinese.
52

Mashimaro,

China 16/04/2008 10:15:30
#50 Mashimaro. "My comment being that if Mr Murdoch was trying to ingratiate himself with Beijing why would he let his other interests inpinge on that."

Because he has more interests in America. Because Oz is America's buddy, as is the UK.

"I merely state that the rest of the world is resolutely NOT out of step with China."

The REST of the world? Dude, take a look around you. I don't think you'll find a single African country to agree with you. I don't think you'll find many Asian countries to agree with you and I sincerely doubt most of Latin and Central America agree with you. I know for sure Russia doesn't agree with you. I would doubt Iraq, Iran and all those people agree with you. So why would you, in your wildest dreams, think you can impose your "way" on China??? It's like a little chihuahua biting at a python man. WAKE UP.


"Now I understand that the UK does not glow with pride regarding its past record, but that is why I post on site and condem where needed. "

Oh great, you're another armchair warrior. Try getting out into the world once in a while. Go out and smell the pork.


"Darfur. perhaps if the Beijing Mafia spoke up then there would be less killing in the region, or do you deny your countries involvement?"

We have peacekeepers in the region, dude. And what do you want China to say? It's obviously such a cr*p country no one in the "rest" of the world would listen to anything it has to say. It is not China's business to get involved in countries' internal issues and it is seldom our business to get involved in external issues either. That is our stand. It's not going to change, so move on.
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Mashimaro,

China 16/04/2008 10:26:54
Oh and IT'S THE OIL, STUPID.
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Chairman Mouthy Dong,

Dong's Diner - Hell 16/04/2008 16:06:53
Oh yes its marvellous down here with the rest of the boys, Pol Pot, Hitler and Marx, the debate is heated allright but a bit difficult to talk with your mouth full of whang, we're keeping a seat for you Mashimaro and Pol Pot has asked me to tell you the whang hot pot will make your toes curl, and he knows how much you like your whang.

 

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