Help Sitemap Home Skip Navigation Contact Us Disability Statement

 
 
Wednesday, 9th July 2008

Premium Article !

Your account has been frozen. For your available options click the below button.

Options

Premium Article !

To read this article in full you must have registered and have a Premium Content Subscription with the The Scotsman site.

Subscribe

Registered Article !

To read this article in full you must be registered with the site.

Refinery strike: Workers jeer as oil firm boss arrives at Grangemouth



Click on thumbnail to view image
Click on thumbnail to view image
Click on thumbnail to view image
Click on thumbnail to view image
Click on thumbnail to view image

THE founder of Ineos was jeered by striking workers today as he visited the Grangemouth oil refinery on the second day of a bitter dispute over pensions.
Employees on the picket line booed and chanted as Jim Ratcliffe left the Scottish site this afternoon.

The 55-year-old billionaire chairman had travelled to Grangemouth this morning for meetings, Ineos said.

His visit came as extra supplies of
fuel began arriving in Scotland.
Around 65,000 tonnes of fuel are being shipped in to ease pressure on the forecourts in the wake of the 48-hour walkout.

Workers will return to the plant at 6am tomorrow although it could take some time for normal operations to resume.

The Unite union has not called for any fresh strikes but says Ineos needs to halt proposed pension changes if talks are to continue.

The two sides held negotiations last week at the conciliation service Acas but they collapsed without agreement.

First Minister Alex Salmond was preparing for a possible meeting with Gordon Brown to discuss the strike.

The Prime Minister's spokesman said efforts were being made to arrange a meeting between the two.

A spokesman for Mr Salmond said: "Mr Brown's diary is a bit tight, but if it's possible the First Minister would obviously want to talk."

It is believed it would be the first such meeting between the two leaders since Mr Brown arrived in Number 10 in June last year.

Meanwhile, UK Business Secretary John Hutton will visit Scotland tomorrow.

He will meet fuel industry representatives and retailers to discuss the situation and thank them for their work to keep supplies moving.

Mr Hutton insisted both Governments were doing all they could to get Unite and Ineos management back around the negotiating table.

The MP told BBC Radio Scotland: "We're doing all we can here, and I know the Scottish ministers are doing the same as well, to try and create that space for the two sides to come together again and try and sort this out.

"We're talking to both sides. I spent some of the weekend talking to the trade unions and the company and I stand ready to have further discussions later today.

"My principal responsibility to the people of Scotland is to make sure that if there is disruption that we minimise the impact of that and we do all we can to make sure that the Scottish economy and Scottish motorists are not inconvenienced."

In the north of Scotland, a tanker carrying 3,000 tonnes of diesel and kerosene from Grangemouth docked at Aberdeen last night.

The fuel will be distributed to filling stations across the region.
There were some shortages at the weekend following several days of motorists rushing to fill up their tanks.

Unite's Phil McNulty told the BBC Radio 4 Today programme: "We don't want to go on strike again and we shouldn't be put in a position where we have to.

"We are faced with a very, very aggressive employer that, quite frankly, we are not used to in the oil industry and not used to in strategic industries that are as important as this one."

Mr McNulty said that if Ineos "removed its intention" to close the pension scheme on August 1 then the union would re-enter talks.

"We will negotiate very hard, but we will negotiate," he said.

Tom Crotty, chief executive of Ineos, claimed the company had made a number of concessions to the union to keep members at the negotiating table.

Scotland's justice secretary, Kenny MacAskill, welcomed police reports of "exemplary" behaviour on the Grangemouth picket line.

Mr MacAskill said: "It was heartening to hear from the Association of Chief Police Officers in Scotland that union members are showing exemplary conduct at Grangemouth.

"I also understand that employers Ineos have helped by providing facilities for those on the picket line."



The full article contains 655 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
Page 1 of 1

 
1

Hmm ...,

28/04/2008 14:51:25
... weren't posters on ealrier reports saying that Alex Salmond was keeping well out of this dispute? I suspect that he will have useful input to offer when he meets Gordon - and that he is sufficiently astute to avoid becoming Gordon's "fall guy" - a necessary part of gordon's cast! It looks as though John Hutton had better watch his back.

I can't see why Ineos would drop their intention to close the final salary scheme - it needs to be done and now is as good a time as any. Unless they opt for closing the plant, in which case they may decide to take some time to make their arrangements.
2

,

28/04/2008 15:10:06
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
3

ChunkECheese,

Scotland 28/04/2008 15:29:21
You know it never ceases to amaze me. People going on strike, never happy with what they have and always wanting more. I hope they get NOTHING.

JJ
www.Ultimate-Anonymity.com
4

itsmeisntit,

waiting in a queue behind boy racer 28/04/2008 16:10:26
i dont understand all this crap - to avoid shortages (considering 70% of private vehicle use is a waste of time) , it should only be the self employed & commercials thats get to fill up , its there living - not selfish boy/girl racers , yummie mummies & lazy buggers going to the shops in the car when its walking distance ... we wouldnt have problems....
5

Dark Horse,

28/04/2008 16:10:59
I was completely at ease with regards to the possible fuel shortage until Salmond said there was no need to panic.

I have been buying every drop of unleaded I can get my hands on since then.
6

Methalions,

28/04/2008 16:23:03
#2 Did you read the article?

Here's the bit you skimmed over.

"Mr Brown's spokesman said efforts were being made to arrange a meeting between the two." In other words, Brown's arranging the meeting.

#5 I hope yer car runs on diesel.
7

Sedov,

Scotland 28/04/2008 17:02:33
This is a real test for the "left" creditentials of Alex Salmond who has always claimed to be for the workers. How about it Alex, notwithstanding your understandable duty to keep the fuel flowing to the people of Scotland - do you support the right of workers to take action to defend their hard fought conditions - or do you support the billionaire owner of Ineos named in the Sunday Times rich list with personal assets of £3.7 billion? We know that Brown stands with the bosses but where do you stand? - we should be told.
8

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 28/04/2008 17:07:51
6, Meths. It only says that efforts were being made. It doesn't say that Broon is arranging. My assumption would be that every time Salmond suggests a time, Broon says he's busy. Politics, and all that.

Must say the union speak is something else - ex Labour spin doctors?

And the cost of those full page ads. Where do they get the money from?
9

oddoneout,

28/04/2008 17:08:38
This is something that is happening right the way across the country, final salary pensions cannot be supported (except by local government and the civil service) due to the fall of pension values and the aging population. the unions seem to be trying to protect the rights of people who don't even work for the company yet. Merely closing new applications will actually preserve the value of current employees pensions. Could be wrong and would enjoy being proved so
10

Ineos worker,

28/04/2008 18:10:50
The changes to current employees have been taken off the table for EIGHT WEEKS.
We only want what we have put into for years.
Our wages are lower than other refinerys as our pension is free. Please look into things before you comment.
11

Pilrig.,

Livingston 28/04/2008 18:18:49
3 - ok Ratcliffe you've made you're point.
12

Non-striking worker,

Aberdeen 28/04/2008 18:42:03
Dear Ineos Worker

I've looked into things. Unlike you I will not be able to retire on half my salary after 30 years service. And unlike you I have to actually pay into my pension scheme. And unlike you I don't have a union that will hold the country to ransom for my own selfish demands. If you drive the cost and the price of fuel up, the wealthy will still be able to afford everything, you'll hit the poor most. Shame on you.
13

A Clamper,

Edinburgh 28/04/2008 18:52:56
Dear Ineos Worker, ignore the tories on here,stick together and victory will be yours.
14

Phil C,

28/04/2008 19:44:42
Dear Ineos Worker, ignore the dafties on here, stick together and boot out your union.

You won't lose a penny of what you've put in for years. It's protected. In future you just need to accept what everyone else in the country has to accept with regard to pensions; times have changed, people live longer, wages rise more quickly than retail prices. Non-contributory final salary schemes are dead. Most people have already accepted that. You've been offered a pension that's far better than most, and probably still unsustainable. You're just endangering your existing pension, future investment and your job!
15

Phil C,

28/04/2008 19:45:16
....and I'm not a tory!
16

Ciderman 542000,

Forres 28/04/2008 19:48:25
Jim Ratcliffe is a slag. He shouldn't be allowed into the country that he is holding to ransom. People like him are an anachronism, he has no sense of fair play. He has £3.7Billion and he wants to cut the pensions of the people that have made him rich. The guy is pork and you cannot educate pork.
17

MikeyG,

Edinburgh 28/04/2008 19:52:41
You earn twice as much as me. I contribute to what will be a two-penny pension. You're on 40K average, and keeping your final salary pension. you don't know how lucky you are, idiots. I've just paid £1-20 a litre 'cos of you..and will that go down? No chance. The well off are laughing away too, they fill up their big cars with £100 of petrol and then work from home or go on holiday..it's the workers YOU are hitting..NO sympathy from me. I'm with your boss, keep Grangemouth going, if you bleed it dry it'll be YOU getting laid off if competition gets too steep for Grangemouth..if you think you're hard done by, get another job, I'll take yours. But I won't join any union run by that weee yap Lyons, sitting in his £200K pad like yours...work for a living or get a job elsewhere if life's too hard for you. The country's not with you here..blimey, there's only 1200 of you, screwing the country
18

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 28/04/2008 19:57:56
Unite cannot afford to strike again and keep any credibility with public opinion. All Ineos has to do is stay on course.

The graveyards are full of people who thought the world would grind to a halt without them.

Anyway, it was Unite who was forced to retract their words in the war of truthful accusation. Wonder why.

And as for yon Ineos Worker @10. Does he really expect me to believe that every refinery in the UK is on the same pay apart from Grangemouth? If it is, I will retract my words. But you show me the figures.
19

TrevorD,

Ipswich 28/04/2008 20:09:41
They are jeering at HIM ?
Jeer THIS ............
"GRANGEMOUTH, Scotland (AFP) — A strike over pensions at a major British oil refinery ran through a second day Monday, causing panic at the pumps and pushing world oil prices to a record new high.
The 48-hour walk-out by around 1,200 workers at Grangemouth, west of Edinburgh, is due to end at 6:00 am (0500 GMT) Tuesday but has already pushed oil prices close to 120 dollars per barrel."

Thanks a bunch, you striking self-centred clowns.
You're living in the past, when Might was Right and idiots like Scargill nearly desroyed Britain.

You say:"Jim Ratcliffe is a slag. He shouldn't be allowed into the country that he is holding to ransom. People like him are an anachronism, he has no sense of fair play. He has £3.7Billion and he wants to cut the pensions of the people that have made him rich"

No, you flatter yourselves. HE has made the £3 billion by taking enormous financial risks; all he has done for you clowns is provide you all with well-paid jobs.

Old saying : "When the passengers start to believe they're flying the plane, the plane is likely to crash."

And you clowns are sitting in it !




20

Phil C,

28/04/2008 20:11:15
#16 Scrumpyman 54321

You've noticed, Jim Radcliff doesn't need the money!! He's trying to enhance the long-term viability and value of the Grangemouth plant and it's workers. Because he's good at that he's got a few quid more than me and you! Kinda makes me sick too, but I'm not jealous. The Ineos workers don't know what side their bread's buttered on!
21

Ciderman 542000,

Forres 28/04/2008 20:40:22
Phil C # 20

At least, get the creatures name right. His name is RATcliffe.
He is feathering his own nest by ensuring the long term viability of Grangemouth? The employees there are a distant concern. If RATcliffe could rum Grangemouth without employees do you think he would?
No wonder RATcliffe is a reclusive kind of person, who would want to be a friend of his?
22

McX,

28/04/2008 20:54:30
#19 Trevor

"The 48-hour walk-out by around 1,200 workers at Grangemouth, west of Edinburgh, is due to end at 6:00 am (0500 GMT) Tuesday but has already pushed oil prices close to 120 dollars per barrel."

How much without the barrel?
23

theleftwing,

28/04/2008 20:58:52
#20 and all

do you think if mr ratcliffe took over your place of employment that YOUR terms and conditions would remain the same?

if your answer is no what would YOU do?
24

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 28/04/2008 21:09:33
Fire the lot of them - Why do none of the bosses just have the balls to do it ?! Import the expertise from other plants or other countries and shaft the union who is trying to shaft the country perhaps on Wendy's request.

'Workers' (I use the term very loosely as you should have to do some work to be called a worker!) like this are just giving Scotland a bad reputation and this industrial action over nothing will make folk put us on the list of places not to invest in.

These strikers are nothing but self-righteous commies screwing the last drop of life out of British Industry - they should be ashamed as should the Labour party who could very well be behind this strike for pure political capital - It is not past them to throw hissy fits - look at what happened after we said 'no' to the congestion charge in Edinburgh.


25

Methalions,

28/04/2008 21:10:12
Christ there's a helluva lot of bloody Tories on here.
26

W U Merchant,

Aberdeen 28/04/2008 21:19:38
25

Well said Methalions.
27

The Strategist,

28/04/2008 21:21:09
1. The oil price has nothing to do with the Grangemouth strike. The volume is minute.

2. Radcliffe is not trying to enhance the long-term viability of the plant. He's trying to reduce the costs so he will be able to sell it on easier in about five years time.

3. Radcliffe has not made £3 billion or whatever it is by taking enormous financial risks. He has borrowed most of the money he needed from the banks. He runs a private equity company and as such will use as little of his own money as possible although he will of course make huge gains when he sells of his assets to some overseas company which I'm sure he's probably already planning.


28

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 28/04/2008 21:36:00
19 - Well said. Too many left wing clowns in Scotland on the take with no eye to the future at all.

23 -I'd take a look at the new set of terms and decide whether or not I liked them sufficiently to stay. What I wouldn't do is act like a spoilt child as these unions and their challenged members do. Needless to say if you are a genuinely valuable employee you don't need a union and your skills will be sought after wherever you go at a great rate. If your pretty darn useless your only hope is a union - who may bludgeon the company on your behalf until it is dead or it moves elsewhere -either way leaving your short sighted little reds with nae joabs and yet another community in decline thanks to bloated unions leaders wanting to flex their muscles.
29

Waspy100,

28/04/2008 21:39:51
#25
More like little Hitlers crawling out of the woodwork. Never read the full facts and always go of at half cock.
Alf Garnet is alive and thriving
land of hope and glory and all that cr@p
30

Methalions,

28/04/2008 21:44:39
28 Voldemort

The spirit of Thatcher lives on....
31

,

28/04/2008 21:45:53
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
32

Phil C,

28/04/2008 21:55:46
#23 I've been self-employed for 25 years because I hate the constraints of terms and conditions! I appreciate that employees should have rights, but it is obvious that t&c have to change naturally. Employees get pay rises, new perks, made redundant. They're promoted, given new responsibilies, often get good pensions...

Sometimes, for their own sakes, employees have to be reasonable and accept changes which might seem negative, because markets and economies change.

With Ineos the striking workers have been living in an unsustainable gold-plated bubble and they are being asked to take pension conditions better than most for the sake of their own retirements and for the long-term future of their jobs. They are making erses of themselves and endangering their futures!
33

Worried Scot,

28/04/2008 21:58:15
#30,

Damn right! That's just what we need - Maggie back to b1tchslap these union scum back into line!
34

Waspy100,

28/04/2008 22:00:59
#33
Sad wee man
35

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 28/04/2008 22:05:11
30 - Aye, it does. Dennis was a good man !
36

Phil C,

28/04/2008 22:06:48
Ahh Dennis. Ran the country on gin & tonic, or was it whisky?
37

lou from niagara,

Niagara Falls Canada 28/04/2008 22:11:26
Regardless ofwho is right or wrong in this dispute there is no way that any union or company should be able to shut down a country. The workers should be legislated back to work and binding arbitration used to get a settlement.
38

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 28/04/2008 22:12:16
32 & 33 - spot on !

34 -- Acht, no, no, no .... Sad wee men are the problem - 33 was talking about a proven solution (ask Art Scargill!) which makes your implication very unlikely.
39

Ineos worker,

28/04/2008 22:14:45
To all the people that have had a go at me and my average wage (try about £32K a year, I am only a engineer, Hons Deg and 20 years experiance).
So far no one has run out of pertol (but the price went up, try the place you go it from, they set the price).
I can now see how you have lost so much.
If you had found your spine in time and stood up for what your T&C were and valued yourself higher, you to could have a good wage and pension.
If my wage comes down I am sure they will make petrol cheaper!!!!!
Please think before you talk.
40

Phil C,

28/04/2008 22:16:26
#39 Get a grip!
41

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 28/04/2008 22:27:06
39 - You poor wee lamb ...

Mint sauce anyone ?


42

Waspy100,

28/04/2008 22:29:38
#32/#38
I was self employed for over 30 years and made a good living.
However a valued workforce has to be treated accordingly and lets face it not all workers want to be self employed with all the risks involved.
The way you lot are baying you may as well move the Poles, Lithuanians Albanians and uncletomcobly at half the cost and get rid of the unions but at what long term cost.
We are all being taken for a ride by the asset strippers who found enpires on borrowed money, walk away with thier profits and leave the rest to pay the price
43

,

28/04/2008 22:30:41
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
44

danielrober,

28/04/2008 22:33:34
This entire thing feels like politics. I wonder who's?
45

Phil C,

28/04/2008 22:37:51
#39 Ineos shirker

According to reports and posts on her you are responsible for increasing the global price of oil. Can you not see the harm you're doing?

You are also hurting the feelings of a great leader in Jim Ratcliffe.

And protecting your family.

And defending your rights.

And letting your country down.

And being a left-wing hero.

And losing pay (I hope).

And making us queue at the pumps.

And taking this country back to 70s union madness.

And being an irresponsible, unreasonable, intransigent, greedy, arrogant, mean, thick-skinned, selfish, small-minded, pampered, ignorant, lazy 'worker'.......

Sack your union for your own sake.
46

Phil C,

28/04/2008 22:42:34
#43 Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm Shake those beans!
.
.
.
.
.smells of piss!
47

Pro Libertate,

Life on the moon is easier, but no atmosphere. 28/04/2008 22:43:50
No matter how you look at this dispute, the arithmetic doesn’t add up.

I believe the company has reported that it would cost them an extra £3 million per year to retain status quo with the pension.

The cost of the shutdown to Ineos for the strike has been reported at £40 million.

Cost to the Treasury per day for shutting down the North Sea £30 million. (not counting the effect on all the contract workers who were paid off mean time)

Seems that the stakes, on both sides, are unbelievably high for the £3 million needed to settle the pension issue.

Strikes me (pardon the pun) that both sides have more at stake that meets the eye.

Question is, which one is actually holding the country to ransom, and for what reason?

Only time will tell.
48

A Voice From Scotland,

28/04/2008 22:48:18
#27. The point is that RATclyffe has taken no risk what ever. He has simply used venture capitalist, (asset strippers,) cash to fund his purchase of huge companies like ICI who took the trendy outsourcing route.

Outsourcing is the fat cats way to undermine trades unions and demoralise workers by forcing them to accept poorer conditions and endure cuts in pay.

The fat cats in the hand made suits can then gloat their way to their next conquest, taking with them the gullible and greedy politicians, looking for their next freebie or after politics life.

Company law means that even if he screwed it all up, he walks away with his personal fortune intact.

I completely support the Grangemouth workers in their struggle and hope they win even against all the odds stacked against them. It is time the boundaries of greed and exploitation were re drawn in this country.
They are brave and honorable people.
49

Pro Libertate,

Life on the moon is easier, but no atmosphere. 28/04/2008 22:49:06
#45 Cranial-rectal-inclusion?
50

Phil C,

28/04/2008 22:53:37
I'm listening to Newsnight. That poisoned dwarf, Hazel Bliars, is trying to worry people by going on about Maggie's Britain and why we should support Labour!!! Christ almighty!!
51

Phil C,

28/04/2008 22:55:02
#49 No
52

Phil C,

28/04/2008 23:08:59
#47 lost on the moon

The message is....don't tolerate strikes!
53

Phil C,

28/04/2008 23:10:59
Sorry. that should be unreasonable strikes.
54

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 28/04/2008 23:32:53
McX is soo butch ! I'd rather not take you up on your offer - but don't let me stop you from passing round your coffee substitute to your woeful lefty friends ... they'll fall for any horse manure as well as loving excreta from small diseased members so your produce should be a treat for them!

55

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 28/04/2008 23:57:48
48 - read the comment about the passengers wanting to fly the plane. Unions are crippling our country not for workers rights but to justify their own existence long after their shelf life. They are dinosaurs from the past with no place in today society.

There is NOBODY poor or exploited that works for this company. They are ALL well paid and alot of folk in Scotland would give their eye teeth to get a salary like theirs AND deal with their own pension scheme. The workers are just a typical example of the malcontent cronyism that pollutes our once great economy.

The Heed man 'Ratclyffe' as I see he is being affectionately knows is coming under fire because he is cost cutting - Cost cutting and and making your company more efficient does make it more valuable to a prospective buyer however it ALSO protects it's position in a global market thus helping to protect those left in it's employment. If YOU reckon it is easy running a private equity partnership or a refinery then quit moaning about your wages and get yourself promoted - DO something positive about it - don't stamp your feet and whinge!

Asset stripper or no asset stripper if your company is not competitive because it has a lead weight around its neck - whether it be a pension time bomb or greedy corrupt unions - it will not survive for long.

It is high time for some of the employees to see that there are hundreds of good jobs available to them with a pension like the rest of us have to deal with or there are no jobs at all with the unrealistic, unsustainable 'civil servant' type pension - What's it going to be boys and girls ?
56

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 29/04/2008 00:07:39
50 - Yup - I watched that too ... I noticed that she didn't say much about what Maggie inherited from Callaghan ... 1979 - Labour at it's best!! (Economy on it's knees - Unions striking all over the shop) - 2008 - goto 1979 ...

The great thing is watching these Labour clowns squirm - they know they are going to get their ineffective backsides well and truly spanked!!


 

Comment on this Story

 

In order to post comments you must Register or Sign In

 
 
 
  

 
 


Sister Newspapers:
Press Complaints Commission

This website and its associated newspaper adheres to the Press Complaints Commission’s Code of Practice. If you have a complaint about editorial content which relates to inaccuracy or intrusion, then contact the Editor by clicking here.

If you remain dissatisfied with the response provided then you can contact the PCC by clicking here.