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Eddie Barnes: Salmond looks resigned to tough decisions on independence


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NOW that Wendy Alexander says she isn't going to quit over her donations woes, it seems that Planet Holyrood can finally move on from talk of political resignations.
But let's dwell on the subject just one more time. What about the prospects, after last week's events, of Alex Salmond's resignation as First Minister?

It doesn't seem the most likely eventuality in a week that has seen Salmond's minority governme
nt edge out his opponents to pass his first budget (by 64 votes to, er, one); nor in a week when Alexander has had to fight off claims of being both a fool (over the budget) and a knave (over her expenses). But hear me out.

Salmond's threat of resignation last week may have been an entirely empty gesture and one taken, as Labour MSP Iain Gray rightly said, "behind the safety of deals that were already done". But it has also now set a precedent. Salmond has effectively told the Scottish people this: that if and when there is an issue of sufficient importance to the future of his government, he will not hesitate to put his own position on the line. Clearly there aren't that many issues of importance greater than whether or not a government is given leave to spend our money, but there does seem to me to be another rather large one, and it is coming up rather soon.

Legislation for a referendum on independence will probably have to go before the Parliament in the autumn of next year under Salmond's plans, clearing the way for the SNP's promised referendum in 2010. While there is some enthusiasm among the Unionist parties to call his bluff and back it, we have to assume at present that they remain too timid to grasp Salmond's challenge. Consequently, it appears, for the time being, that Salmond's referendum will be voted down in Parliament and that he will be denied his chance to put the big question to the people.

He then has to resign, doesn't he? Or is the budget of the devolved Scottish Government more important to the SNP these days than the historic quest for independence? I don't know, so I asked around a bit. One of Salmond's aides poo-pooed the idea when I broached it last week. Rather, the government would, in such circumstances, "bank" the parliament's rejection of the referendum, pointing out that the opposition MSPs were denying the right of a nation for self-determination. They would then stay in government and build ever more support for a referendum following the now supposedly inevitable SNP triumph in 2011.

Of course, Salmond's wily advisers are never going to signal that he would resign over the referendum bill more than a year before it comes before parliament. The last politician to pre-announce his departure was Tony Blair and look what happened to him. So, despite their denials, there is still a strong possibility that last week's fake resignation was simply a dry run for the real thing.

Think about it from Salmond's point of view. The coalition of the SNP is sustained by its unbending loyalty to the cause of Scottish independence. We learnt how much last year when Salmond refused to drop the referendum as the price of a coalition with the Liberals. Would Salmond countenance keeping the party in power if it had shown itself unable to deliver its prime purpose? Furthermore, resignation would surely be the only way to maintain the credibility upon which Salmond's reputation as a straight-dealer has been built. Not to resign would simply be to place himself alongside all the other political leaders he so despises for, as he sees it, having compromised their beliefs simply to stay in power.

And what's more, as always with Salmond, principle goes hand in hand with crafty politics. As with last week's events, if he were to resign, there would be two potential courses for the Parliament to take. Either it would dissolve and an extraordinary election would take place, or the Parliament would vote in a new First Minister. In such a circumstance, where the SNP has stood down, that would probably mean Labour taking over. What does Salmond have to fear from either eventuality? Does anyone believe that, in the current political climate, the SNP would not come out best?

So here's my prediction: last week's events suggest that, if the independence referendum is voted down by Parliament, Salmond will go, meaning an election ahead of the planned date in 2011. Salmond is the kind of skilled politician who thinks several years in advance so I wonder whether this has been the plan all along. Either way, I think we should be told.





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  • Last Updated: 09 February 2008 10:58 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Eddie Barnes
 
1

Conan the Librarian™,

10/02/2008 00:34:11
Hmm...Eddie, who would you rather have in charge?

A skilled politician, or a presider of fiascos?

I think we should be told.
2

Richard,

Broxburn 10/02/2008 00:40:26
Eddie Barnes wrote,

"last week's fake resignation"

Eddie, if you think Alex Salmond was faking it last week you're a bigger fool than I thought!


3

Richardinho,

10/02/2008 00:44:05
Salmond had to resign if the budget didn't go through, because without a budget the country simply cannot function.
the opposition can force a vote of no confidence at any time (they have the majority to do so) but the budget is the governments very existence is put in question.
4

Vivas,

Edinburgh 10/02/2008 00:45:58
Barnes...

You're a trumpet.

A total and utter one.
5

A Better Way,

Edinburgh 10/02/2008 00:56:03
Ah poor wee Eddie, you and your lot have been doom and gloom speakers since the SNP Scottish Government were democratically elected by the folk of Scotland. I suppose if you were a lot smarter and more loyal to your country, you too could one day lead our Nation of Scots.

With Clegg declaring his hand in supporting David Cameron in getting rid of Gordon the Bottler, there are so many things that can change the lay of the land and therefore Alex's plans. Perhaps the latest developments in England where the Police have been eavesdropping on everyone and his brother it could be that Alex will release the first draft of a Scottish Constitution that the Scottish People had the right to live under. An end to the London Parliaments position as Sovereign and the chance for the Scottish Peoples right to return to a WRITTEN Constitution that places them as the Sovereign of the state, who politicians and civil servants would have to tip their hats to.

Dont we live in such wonderful times, that is if you are true Scots who dont tip their hats to a foreign power dictating our future. I certainly believe that my generation will be the ones to give back Scotlands People their pride and hope of singing their own National Anthem at appropriate times and legalising the printing of Scottish Currency when and if they want without having to beg a London Government for permission.
6

PL,

10/02/2008 01:07:37
In all honesty, I've never encountered a piece of political journalism as bizarrely ludicrous as this. And aggressively argued! It's as if Barnes knows his arguments are being dismissed and ridiculed at every turn.
The political editor of Scotland on Sunday regards a symbolic, doomed token of a referendum bill as equivalent to a budget, without which the country grnids to a halt.
7

Jimmy the Pie,

10/02/2008 01:18:36
#5 A Better Way,
Very good post.
Alex Salmond is Scotland's (and Britain's) leading politician. Comrade Broon must shake his head in despair when he sees Alex outhink and outmanouver Wendy and her pet idiot Nicol at every turn.
The more the 'quality' press run down Alex the more stupid they look.
Have a look at yourself in the mirror Eddie and ask yourself "why do I have no dignity left"?


8

Conan the Librarian™,

10/02/2008 01:27:34
7
How much does a hootsman journo earn?
9

Jwil,

10/02/2008 01:30:37
"Salmond's threat of resignation last week may have been an entirely empty gesture"

This is absolute nonsense from a Mickey Mouse journalist in a Mickey Mouse paper. It was a very calculated move by Alex Salmond to make the opposition sit up and consider the position they would find themselves in if they let the budget fail! And they didn't let it fail! Try the Sunday Herald to get some real journalism. Its much more interesting. And the Sunday Times.

10

Jimmy the Pie,

10/02/2008 01:37:05
#8 Conon
Probably far more than they are worth, but then they have to write what the demented owners of the Johnston Press tell them. That's why there is hardly anything in the Hootsmoan worth reading!
11

Vivas,

Edinburgh 10/02/2008 01:41:30
When the crunch eventually comes at Scotsman towers ... as it surely will do one day on account of it's failing circulation and loss of credbility ... can they outsource their political section to journos in Bangalore ?

It'd be cheaper, and a damn sight better than the bilge written by the current post-holders... Barnes, Joyce McMillan and crew...
12

Conan the Librarian™,

10/02/2008 01:47:40
10
Aye.Imagine you are young Journalist all pens and stupidity.
Then you get a job at the Scotsman.
13

Wisnaeme,

10/02/2008 01:49:10

Did ye hae a session in Jinglin' Geordies afore ye wrote this mince, Eddie?

14

Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 10/02/2008 03:15:55
Cute bit of politics there Eddie, not to mention wishful thinking. The Salmond aide had it right when he said that Salmond would simply bank a parliamentary rejection of a referendum and take it to the people at the next election, which at that point would only be a year or so away.

And do we really think, with an election so close and no doubt with the SNP still riding high in the polls that the opposition will do to the referendum what they were too scared to do to the budget?

No, by the time the Bill for the Referendum comes around I think Prime Minister Salmond and his cabinet will have such an impressive record in Government and created such interest in an Independence Referendum that the opposition will have no choice but to go along with the will of the people and hold it.

15

a proud doonhamer,

Dumfries 10/02/2008 03:36:49
The above reads more like a prayer than an article. Eddie, before you lay down each night, be sure to ask God for forgiveness for putting the needs of the union before the needs of the people.

as for Alex resigning, well, some prayers go unanswered and sometimes like this time, the answer is NO!
16

Jimmy the Pie,

10/02/2008 03:47:56
AM2
No comments on the latest scandel involving your pal Wendy? Yet another criminal investigation??
Might be sub-judice though???
17

donald,

glasgow 10/02/2008 07:06:46
Eddie Barnes looks resigned to tough decisions on independence.

He called Labour's bluff and the look on Wendy's face shows what she did. Time Eddie stopped reading Jackie Baillies's pathetic spin.
18

langtonian,

scotus 10/02/2008 08:12:18
Relating to Eddie Barnes comments.
(1)Alex Salmond has seriously watered down his "believability" within Holyrood with his petulant "I shall Resign"play acting.

(2)The shredded 9 month old SNP manifesto is a dead duck, a few more well targeted pot shots will see that triuphalist piece of paper weel and truly "goosed"

(3)Betting persons wishh some odds were on show that Alex Salmond wil have his posterior firmly planted on the benches at Westmister prior to 2011 next election.

(4) Referendum are a useless tool in a democracy such as our's.All parties declare every 5years their main polcy statement by which they can govern.Referendum are for those who get "bee's in their bunnet"and buzz around trying to make something out of honeyed words.

(5)SNP?Consrevative's? difficult to sepeate them after their budget "get the gither".
19

Richard,

Broxburn 10/02/2008 08:33:47

langtonian,
scotus

Pure confection and desperation there Langtonian!

Hahaahahahahaha!
20

glassbenmhor,

10/02/2008 09:01:39
Hey Eddie,
How about carring a different card in your top pocket
MEMBER
INDEPENDENT SCOTTISH LABOUR PARTY
21

Boy Wonder,

10/02/2008 09:04:27
Barnes ... are you ever going to learn that the days of your puppet-masters are never going to come back? New Labour turned its back on the people who consisently voted for it (I was one of them) and dropped manure on them from a great height. They are completely indefensible ... except for party hacks like you. And you're an idiot!
22

Hamish Scott,

10/02/2008 09:53:55
I think this is a very perceptive piece by Eddie Barnes. Alex Salmond had a good election campaign and a good performance as FM but I thibk the resignation threat could be a hostage to fortune. However, as Mr. Barnes also points out, Mr. Salmond is a smart operator, I think he'll find a way round this, perhaps by offering a multi-option referendum? The LibDems and Labour would then have to vote down a referendum offering that they should really support. No doubt Mr. Salmond would sell a multi-option referendum as a chance to find out what the electorate really want.
23

walter,

10/02/2008 10:42:40
The Conservatives, the Greens and Margo asked for X,Y and Z in return for their backing of the budget.
The Conservatives, the Greens and Margo were given X,Y and Z for their support.
With the full knowledge that these three were going to vote for the budget and it would be passed Salmond states he will resign if it is not passed.
Pure posturing and those who have SNP blinkers on know it.
If (and that is a big IF) he and his party put forward a motion to hold a referendum next Autumn he may very well threaten to resign again in the full knowledge that the opposition parties will back a referendum.
Time and again the polls have shown that very few support independence and the vast majority wish to remain in the union although with more powers devolved to Holyrood.
Even if that support does rise it will not be enough for the SNP to get what they want.
Just like Salmonds offer to resign when he knew the budget would be passed the opposition will back a referendum knowing that they will win.
24

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 10/02/2008 10:51:27
Eddie Barnes yer a fool. The threat to resign over this issue was the right one because without the budget the Government simply could not govern. AS was confident that the SNP were high enough in the polls to return with a larger majority so it wisne such a big gamble. Brown bottled his gamble for an election because he didnt have the same confidence in the polls.
The threat of resignation only works with issues that could stop you actually governing the Country not with issues that have no effect on the ability to Govern.
That coupled with a favourable standing with the electorate means this weapon can be used again when necessary. If the opposition are confident of winning an election or can form a Government between themselves then they can call his "bluff"?
Aye that will happen!

Yet another Labour party manufactured spin sent to their tame media for distribution.
25

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 10/02/2008 10:53:46
18

And yer still living in denial. Wont you look a D*ck when the SNP run away with the next election?
26

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 10/02/2008 11:26:07
#22 Hamish

Salmond will never go for a multi-option referendum. He is far too clever for that. Everyone knows that a simple yes or no referendum has far more chance of getting the yes answer. The opposition parties would not have the guts to vote down the holding of this type of referendum and Salmond knows it.
27

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 10/02/2008 11:27:58
#23 Walter

I'm not sure that Salmond did threaten to resign. If you have a credible source please post a link here.
28

­Ciderman 542000,

10/02/2008 11:59:31
Conan. it was a fiddle not a fiasco.
29

walter,

10/02/2008 12:40:09
#27
I presume that all the reports on the BBC, ITV and in all the papers were wrong and he did not threaten to resign if the budget was not passed.
30

Neil,

Glasgow 10/02/2008 13:13:06
Rubbish. Without a budget a government simply cannot function. Resignation is therefore a constitutional necessity. Without a referendum, even one promised in party manifestos it is perfectly possible to govern. Ask Labour & the LibDims who made a specific promise over the EU treaty & lied.
31

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 10/02/2008 13:48:28
27

The entire cabinet threatened to resign not just AS do you no watch the news then?
32

Jwil,

10/02/2008 15:05:18
Mr Barnes, I saw you being interviewed on the Telly. You looked and soundedd like a pretty decent and sensible chap. So why are you supporting the gross distortions of this newspaper and writing articles to satisfy the politics of the owners. I am sure you would feel much better in yourself if you were able to gave an honest account of political matters.
33

Derick fae Yell,

The Hoose 10/02/2008 17:00:51
64 for (sensible parties). 1 against (accidental party). 60 abstentions (feartie knickers on head blabblib party)

That'll do fine.

Hmm. wonder if all the london-based pretend scottish unionist fakers who inhabit these boards usually are having a few beers in Rome today?
- which means
- langtonian may actually be a real unionist, actually living in Scotland!

Well, mannie, glad to see you're real - wrong of course, but at least real.


34

Liberal for life,

Dunblane 10/02/2008 17:05:36
Salmond's behaviour smacked of the kind of threatening bully boy tactics one often witnesses in the school playground - play the game my way or I walk away with my ball and sulk.

As a politician of a party who claims to represent the "best interests of Scotland" (above all other parties) we should expect a higher calibre of genuine debate to help persuade others of the strength of an argument, rather than simply adopt this kind of infantile posturing.

If he does it again then the opposition should call his bluff, come what may in the aftermath of an election. Only then will Scots who presently favour this man waken up to the reality of having some kind of dictator rather than a genuine democrat in charge.

Lets give him enough rope to hang himself but not enough rope to tie the rest of us into a destiny that will ultimately lead our nation into a cul de sac.
35

Splashey,

10/02/2008 18:20:25
34 "If he does it again then the opposition should call his bluff"

ROTFL. Why didn't they call his bluff this time? LOL. My such principle, such constructive alternatives put forward in the great Liberal damp squib abstention - that showed 'em!

Tavish Scott said in 2003 and 2006 that an opposition party cannot be taken seriously if it doesn't even propose an alternative budget. Do you agree, and where is the Libs alternative budget?
36

Stu_R_20,

Edinburgh 10/02/2008 18:42:35
I never used to take any notice of the SNP posters and their continual accusations of bias but, Eddie, I now agree with them (at least about yourself)! This is one of the most underhand, sly pieces of party political propoganda I have ever read. In fact, I would go even further and allege that you are a fully paid up Red Rose man, maybe you think of Wendy every night before you go to bed, (:p) who knows?! But I'd be interested to know your motives...........
37

Steve,

Bo'ness 10/02/2008 19:24:39
Shocking article Eddie.. you're the reason why I buy the Sunday Herald!
38

karinxx,

10/02/2008 22:25:16
36 stu glad to see we are encouraging people to read articles carefullly and question thigns rather than just accept them we dont expect poeple to agree with all questions of biased articles but if they at least read the article and consider is it biased or not then it is achieving something.
39

Highland Mighty,

10/02/2008 22:51:39
26. Wasn't there a YouGov poll last month that showed in a TWO-question poll of 'status quo' v independence, only 27% supported independence?

And wasn't that 2% DOWN on last year?

And didn't 57% support the status quo, UP 6% on a year ago?

As for the usual nationalist tripe of "being ruled by a foreign power", last time I looked we are all part of the same country with one of our own in No.10 and No.11!...so who's this "foreign" ruler?!

Plus even Our Great Leader believes that only 2% Westminster votes have any bearing on Scotland, which is why he has only bothered to to turn up to 4 of the last 180+ votes down there.

And doesn't the SNP want to join the EU and the Euro? So it's the SNP who wants us to be ruled by a truly foreign power.

And also wants us to have to depend on others for our defence, also known as England.

There really is no consistency in the SNP and its howling mob, is there.
40

An Beal Bacht,

11/02/2008 00:33:03
Aye - Eddie's hostility tae the Government of Scotland is becoming mair blatant wae every new labour sleaze story. Tae pass yer self off as a journalist Eddie when yer clearly a labour party apologist is a feat that's clearly beyond ye.

The question ye should have been asking Eddie is: How long before Wendy resigns? But the answer is obvious - No long noo!
41

Sanny,

Portugal 11/02/2008 00:41:55
39
Highland Mighty,
Poll's are a con and can be made to give whatever answer is required. The only poll that has any real meaning is a referendum and this reveals the true democratic will of the people.

If the Unionists were so confident of the answer they desire then THEY would call the referendum, for the simple reason that it would damage the SNP and put off talk of independence for a generation. Westminster is well aware of the true likely outcome and therefore dare not test the will of the people.

Just count the number of Independence supporting posts in this and other newspapers. There is a vast preponderance in favour of independence. Alternatively you are saying that only those with the education to write these comments are independence supporters.

You will note I say independence and not SNP supporters. There are many of us who support independence but not the SNP. It is this hidden body of support that is not taken into account.

42

Breezy,

Argyll 11/02/2008 03:34:39
The poll was probably taken in whoevers local Labour club, in any case, whats happened to the news ?
43

Nikostratos,

11/02/2008 11:23:09
that's what i like to see Salmond and resigned in the same paragraph............
44

Nikostratos,

11/02/2008 11:23:16
that's what i like to see Salmond and resigned in the same paragraph............
45

Nikostratos,

11/02/2008 11:23:35
twice.......
46

Highland Mighty,

11/02/2008 16:48:16
41. Ah, denial. The old 'head in the sand' routine.

And there are only so many pro-independence posters on these boards because all the nats are posting under MULTIPLE USER-NAMES.

And you know it!
47

Sanny,

Portugal 11/02/2008 23:04:16
46 Highland Mighty,
Where is the denial? My head is not in the sand; more like yours is up you anus looking for your brains.
Can you show a scintilla of proof of MULTIPLE USER-NAMES? No! thought not. You’re all wind and pi$$.

Now return to my post and try hard to make a reasoned constructive critique of the actual content, without resorting to the usual meaningless slogans. Perhaps you can't find both your brain cells. Keep looking they must be there somewhere.
48

Legacy,

N.E. 11/02/2008 23:23:20
'Politics' plays on the principle, that the majority of the Electorate have short memories, and that they talk through the change in their pocket, so it is, and ever shall be.
What good a New SNP Government to Scotland, if they follow the Unionist Lib/Lab Politics of screwing the Scots and Scotland at every turn?
A New Dawn has broken over Scotland, if the SNP puts more change in the pockets of the Electorate, and gear their Policies in the direction of what is happening at the moment Social change across the Electorate board, and at every turn have first Scotland and its people in mind, Independance is surely a natural progression, the people will decide, not pundits or pollsters. If Alex Salmond forgets the people who put the SNP in power, the same as the unionist parties have done, he and the SNP will sink, but Alex Salmond is not about to go down the unionist road, he does'nt have Westminster pulling his strings.
Onwards and Upwards-It's High Time




 

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