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Health chiefs fear hospitals will be 'free park-and-rides'



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Published Date: 03 September 2008
HEALTH chiefs fear Lothian hospitals will become free "park-and-rides" for hundreds of commuters once controversial parking fees are scrapped.
Health Secretary Nicola Sturgeon yesterday announced that parking charges at NHS hospitals across Scotland are to be abolished from the end of the year.

The move has been welcomed in some quarters as a boost for patients and their families, but im
mediate concerns have been raised about the impact on Edinburgh's Western General Hospital.

The site has suffered from traffic congestion for years, and with nearly 800 parking spaces and excellent bus links to the city, there are fears it will become a "free-for-all" for drivers looking to dump their cars for several hours. It is understood a new 720-space multi-storey car park planned for the Western is now likely to be scrapped due to the loss of parking fee income. With NHS Lothian still having to find money to provide car parking, there are also fears about the potential impact on patient care.

Former Lord Provost Lesley Hinds, local councillor for the Western, said: "We brought in a controlled parking zone around the hospital because there was a difficulty with people parking in the area all day. There's a brilliant bus service from the hospital, so people will just park there and use it as a park-and-ride."

The abolition of charges will take effect from December 31.

It means parking charges will disappear at the Western, which currently costs £1 for four hours and £3 for any longer, and St John's in Livingston, where the price is £1 a visit.

NHS Lothian will lose hundreds of thousands of pounds in revenue each year, but will still have to pay maintenance costs as well as business rates for owning the land.

NHS Lothian director of facilities, John Jack, described the situation at the Western General as a "challenge".

He said: "We know that we will be facing a challenge in managing traffic at our Edinburgh sites, particularly those sites which are in or close to local authority controlled car parking zones."

City transport leader Phil Wheeler added: "We will work with NHS Lothian to see whether the removal of parking charges at the Western General will have any impact on traffic volumes and parking in the area."

A Scottish Government spokeswoman said transitional financial support will be handed out for one year, and said the health board would have to submit a plan for addressing the potential increase in demand for spaces.

• NHS Lothian said its valet parking service for cancer patients at the Western will remain in place.





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  • Last Updated: 03 September 2008 10:47 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Health of the NHS , Transport
 
1

Alan B,

03/09/2008 11:38:35
Seems silly for hospitals to pay business rates.
2

Matt there,

Somewhere 03/09/2008 11:49:09
Was this the situation before greedygut bosses put in parking charges? No.

If you have issues with unauthorised people entering your grounds, use security guards, for goodness sake!

You never know. They might stop people from stealing £Millions worth of laptops, hospital equpiment, etc., too...
3

Peekay,

03/09/2008 12:31:02
#2 It is exactly what was happening before parking charges were brought in at WGH, and that was when on-street parking in the area was free. The situation will now be worse. How do you expect security guards to distinguish between "park-and-riders" and staff, patients and visitors?
4

Matelot,

Edinburgh 03/09/2008 12:42:14
I agree with #3 it will be a total nightmare and Security Staff and Traffic Control Staff will get it in the neck,back to square one.Money wasted in installing,ticket machines,barriers and all traffic calming areas.
5

fresian,

edinburgh 03/09/2008 12:51:14
Why not make it free for up to, say 2 hours, then impose charges after that time. Staff could be issued with ID passes....problem solved
6

Howard Moon,

03/09/2008 13:11:55
#5

I'm sure that will happen. People just love to complain. It's another straightforward, sensible, positive measure from the SNP Gov which staff and visitors at the Western will welcome.

At least this makes a change from the usual cry of 'populism' though! Without doubt the most pathetic criticism in politics.
7

Leithster,

Edinburgh 03/09/2008 13:23:17
they should issue a ticket and then the ticket is validated inside the hospital when you leave. Like the systems in place at Fountainpark.
8

tomias,

Edinburgh 03/09/2008 13:24:16
No 1; that is a logical remark; alas logic does not extend to the money rakers.
9

MacGillicuddy,

03/09/2008 13:32:03
It could be that the " health chiefs " are correct. But it's neither rocket science nor bank-breaking to fix the "problem". What wimps!
10

Bigwull,

edinburgh 03/09/2008 13:37:08
These health chiefs already have their free reserved parking so what do they care.
11

Bill MacD,

03/09/2008 13:37:50
#5 - agreed. Otherwise it'll be a disaster. I'd suggest 3 hours to be realistic for waiting times at some appointments. But it has to be shorter than a commuter's half-day shift.
12

The Spook in Leith,

03/09/2008 13:50:45
Yeh cummunters hate anyone parking infront of their homes but dont give a stuff where they park.
13

CharlieW,

edinburgh 03/09/2008 13:57:27
Cars cost money to run, and parking the thing is just another part of that. The AA estimate a small (1000cc) car doing 10K a year runs at 40p a mile, so up to four hours parking is the equivalent of 2.5 miles driving - hardly a massive overhead.

The ground that these cars are parked on is a valuable resource, why should people not be charged something to use it? It costs me £2.50 to get to the hospital and back by bus, should that be free too?
14

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

03/09/2008 13:58:33
Of course they will become free park and rideas and the numpties who stopped charging haven't thought this through.
15

The Spook in Leith,

03/09/2008 14:07:00
#15

But it was not the Labour party who stopped the charging!! poo
16

Merouane,

Edinburgh 03/09/2008 14:12:14
BRING BACK THE CHARGES!!!

And while we're at it, where's my council tax rise this year? I want to pay more...
17

Sue Taylor,

03/09/2008 14:19:20
#5 NHS staff do have id badges, so no need to redo them. Security guards just need to be more vigilant, there are always ways to distinguish people. No staff or patients should pay for parking and it is a disgrace that the Royal Infirmary in Edinburgh are still charging £7 per day. Nobody chooses to be ill and nobody wants to be staying in hospital, or visiting it. It is also debatable given the state of the wards and working conditions of the NHS that staff even wish to be there either. So lets put pressure on The Royal in Edinburgh to scrap the charge?
18

NorT,

Edinburgh 03/09/2008 14:21:09
A poor reason to stop the buildiung of a multi storey car park at the Western which should hav ebeen built years ago. Typical of NHS Lothian, not worried about halthcare only increasing their income.
19

Starkravingsane,

Edinburgh 03/09/2008 15:29:25
The system at Fountainbridge is an ideal example of how to allow people to park sensibly. People pick up a ticket to get in, then it's validated before they leave by a machine inside the complex. If they stay longer than 4 hours, then charges begin to apply. You could, if you needed to, move your car in that time if you were, say, attending a dying relative. And legit visitors don't need to pay. Staff, of course, should have a perma pass.
20

PaulB,

Edinburgh 03/09/2008 15:38:48
#14 Perhaps people visiting patients in hospital should get free bus travel. Especially if they have three children and a large pram. Perhaps the Evening News could have a campaign about how unfair it is that anyone has to pay to travel on a bus :)
21

alex patersons English teacher,

03/09/2008 16:25:24
13
these communters, are they satisfied travellers from newcastle on there hen night.
22

Edward,

03/09/2008 17:14:13
I find this farcical that healthboard complain that it will be a 'free for all' with parking in Hospital grounds. Obvious lack of imagination
Why cant they operate a 'guest' exit ticket system for hospital patients and visitors. All the bone fide pateint or visitor has to do is collect an exit ticket from Hospital reception and that allows them free exit from the car park. This should discourage the so called park and ride driver, who would either have to pay £ 2 or more to exit or go to reception and explain who he is visiting (which of course they couldnt as they would need to know names and wards) Simple
23

Edward,

03/09/2008 17:23:57
#18 Sue Taylor
Spot on
NHS ID Cards have a magnetic strip, so should just be a cases of swiping through
Yes it is a disgrace that the RIE charging £ 7 a day, this goes stright into the coffers of the private firm that own the RIE. It is what happens when you build capital projects under PFI/PPP
24

Dileas,

03/09/2008 17:26:58
Or an alternative would be to scrap all the new off-centre controlled parking zones - they were no more than a rip-off by the old discredited Labour administration anyway and the new LibDem led council lacks the gumption to revise the steps that got Labour sacked.
25

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 03/09/2008 17:31:11
The solution to this is two-fold and quite simple.

1. Use the existing ticket system to enforce a franking system whereby the ticket is validated for exit by the ward receptionist when you go for treatment or visit someone. No validation means £100 per day (or part of day) parking charges.

2. Reduce the CPZ to where it was in the mid 1980s.
26

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

03/09/2008 18:08:22
Balfour Beatty / Haden Building Management (aka Consort) need to be brought into line now. Their greed has to stop.
27

madrab,

Edinburgh 03/09/2008 19:05:53
Are you all idiots?

Someone parking their car before 9am then walking out of the hospital is not likely to be visiting anyone.

A quick call to the council should have the vehicle towed away and the space free again.
28

Dumfoonert,

Stirling 03/09/2008 20:08:04
Where on Earth are the 800 spaces at WGH???
Surely the easiest system is one of those where there is a 4 digit pin code changed daily which allows exit - you would be told on the ward / in outpatients what number to use.
29

Grumpy,

03/09/2008 20:19:59
(7), (20) and (27) - you got it right - a ticket with subsequent validation is the only way to stop park and riders. Personally, I wouldn't object to a modest charge - like the £1 per 2 hours. At least the money collected could be put towards maintaining the ticket system and filling in the pot holes in the car parks rather than doing the old biddy next door out of her overdue hip replacement - whicvh, despite Ms Sturgeon's assurances to the contrary, will indeed happen - unless, of course, the NHS take over the Royal Bank and start printing their own notes.....
30

geekpie,

forfar 03/09/2008 20:27:05
There are now doubt plenty of cheap votes in free hospital parking.

The reality is a hospital like Foresterhill in Aberdeen is well served by public transport. Free parking will be snapped up by those too lazy and selfish to consider alternatives while doing nothing to help those who really need to park nearby.

Clare Sturgid is being opportunistic and cheap.
31

geekpie,

forfar 03/09/2008 20:27:59
There are now doubt plenty of cheap votes in free hospital parking.

The reality is a hospital like Foresterhill in Aberdeen is well served by public transport. Free parking will be snapped up by those too lazy and selfish to consider alternatives while doing nothing to help those who really need to park nearby.

Nicola Sturgid is being opportunistic and cheap.
32

Journalistic licence,

On the way 03/09/2008 21:01:36
I think it would be quite cool to park your car in the hospital car park then get a ride to work in an ambulance. Rather handy as well if you take ill during the journey.
33

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 03/09/2008 21:37:55
I predicted this would happen when the SNP announced the removal of the parking charges - but no one listened to me. Lets face it, car drivers are a very selfish, obnoxious bunch of people. It is also clear the SNP are encouraging the use of the car - which is totally unacceptable. They should be discouraging the use in an effort to reduce pollution. The SNP removing the Forth Road Bridge tolls is another clear indication of where their heart lies. Sturgeon is a complete clown for removing the car parking charges - and it will be the patients families who will suffer. They will turn up at hospitals and find the car parks full. A very bad decision by the inept SNP.
34

Mr Fuzzy,

Edinburgh 03/09/2008 22:16:17
Would it not be possible to have automatic gantry machine that accept a plastic token to allow cars out? Anyone who visited the hospital would get a token, then when they left, they would use it to open the access gates.
35

subrosa,

04/09/2008 01:21:45
# 35

Stupid comment. Today I'm driving a friend to Ninewells, Dundee as she's lost the power in her legs. Should we go by bus?
36

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 04/09/2008 01:46:44
#38 - why is my comment stupid? I never suggested patients should use a bus. I did suggest car drivers would use hospital car parks as a park and ride site, thus depriving those using it legitimately. I take it you will now apologise to me? I receive enough abuse from folk on the street, never mind off posters on here.
37

Starkravingsane,

Edinburgh 04/09/2008 10:26:09
If executives hadn't overcharged so greedily in the first place, we wouldn't be having this debate.
Take the CPZ off completely - use the wardens to spread the traffic out rather than try to book them and you'll find there are plenty of parking spaces in Edinburgh. Oh, and stop digging up the car parks - charge £3 a day for a car in the car parks so that people could realistically park there. Know what - they would! So in the end your streets would be clearer with less fly parking than there is now.
38

CS,

Edinburgh 04/09/2008 11:36:31
When I take my car to the cinema there is a machine that stamps my parking ticket inside the actual cinema and if I do not have it stamped I have to pay to get out. Surely something like this could be done in hospitals say a few machines inside the hospital to deter the casual user but accessible for staff and patients and visitors.

 

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