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Steve_the_Stitch,

Airdrie 10/01/2008 15:19:21
In our home we try to be as green as possible with all our lights being energy saver bulbs, we recycle all tins,bottles- glass & plastic,paper,clothing including shoes. The down side I have to admit to is that I use a car it's not a particularly huge 'Gas Guzzler' or diesel but I find I can't use Public transport for local journey's into local towns because of my disabilities, the shaking about and bumping around I've endured from travelling on the buses in the past has left me bedridden for day's at a time and I can't afford the Taxi fares but I will try to use the train for my travels further afield in the future if they can be relied upon.The biggest problem I find in my home is trying to get everyone to think 'Green' I'm constantly reminding them to turn off lights,t.v's,digiboxes etc.It always will be an uphill struggle until it becomes second nature so everyone needs to be taught from an early age.
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Kirk View,

Angus 10/01/2008 16:52:35
A good initiative, perhaps, but is is a serious one or is it a political shuffle on the part of the Government. Well done Scotsman but can you do more?

Re the Government ... if they were really serious they would

1. Insist that all Councils recycle Scottish waste in Scotland

2. Impose a national 50mph speed limit

3. Promote the sale of only Scottish [and uk] produce in supermarkets

4. Commit to 100% carbon neutral electricity production by 2020

5. Introduce “the Climate” as a subject at Standard Grade level

6. Use the flexibility in taxation powers to introduce a Climate Change Tax where monies raised will be used to tackle Climate Change

7. Plan for an independent Scotland, independent of oil wealth


And could the Scotsman ....

1. Facilitate national debate and national awareness of Climate Change

2. Refuse adverts for and promotion of cars with exhaust emissions in excess of 130 g/km of CO2

3. Liaise with other newspapers to make this a UK nationwide campaign

The following blog seeks to promote and encourage debate and awareness ….

http://climatechangescotland.blogspot.com/


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Upbeat,

10/01/2008 17:25:20
Sour grapes at quarter to four hardly help the debate "Oh Administrator."

But in case you wonder.

We recycle,all that is permitted locally , but feel that the Highland Council still has a long way to go to provide facilities, particularly for the recycling of hazardous household materials.

We compost our waste, and have done for decades.

If we turned the tap off it would make no difference in this remote area...it's all gravity fed.!

We've been using low energy light bulbs for well over a decade.

We use a car to go shopping.(Round trip 100 miles ). We have done this just once in the last three weeks. You could not carry this quantity of shopping in a small car or have the time to do this scale of a shop on the public transport available locally.

We have used rechargable batteries for years , but criticise the UK authorities for still not providing recycling facilities for domestic NiFe and NiCad batteries.

We have been using our own bags and boxes for years, but this does not stop retailers throwing carrier bags at us like confetti.

We grow our own veg, but some items do not and bever will grow in Scotland. This includes econically p[riced sugar,tea, coffee and Many types of fruit like Oranges etc.

The tumble drier stopped working last summer, we have yet to repair it !

We pick up the rubbish that arrives along the roadsides locally. How it gets there in this remote place is a source of wonder !

We don't fly to go on holiday. Certainly would never dream of indulging in a short long haul break anywhere. and we plant trees !

Now If this list has been in any way typical of anyone else I will be amazed !

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Oh , I almsot forgot.

When it is winter we put on extra clothing to keep warm. If everyone in the western world did this instead of living and becoming susceptable to illhealth in a stuffy "fug" of poor air quality they would not only save energy (and thereby help save the planet) but they would also find themselves to be a lot fitter and healthier as well.
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10/01/2008 17:58:31
I wear two fleece jackets in the hoose in winter as I canny afford to heat my wee hoose I also wash and shave with freezin cold water.
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Slioch,

Scottish Highlands 10/01/2008 18:26:17
#44 Hi Upbeat

I think most folk who are reasonably environmentally aware will have been doing all these things in the pledges for decades (where possible)- I certainly have.

wrto Highland Council: it was eighth out of 32 councils in Scotland in 2004/5 - it only recycled 9%.(source SEPA Waste Data Digest - sorry can't find more up to date one) And Scotland is just about bottom of the league in Europe for recycling. (I think Greece is worse).

We have a long long way to go before we can claim to be a modern society with a sustainable future and many of the views expressed in these columns go a long way to explaining why. It is good that the Scotsman is trying to improve matters, but, by jings, it's hard going.
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Message to all readers:

Please note - This comments thread is specifically for readers who wish to tell us how and why they are taking part in our Let's Go Green Together campaign.

Any comments which do not directly relate to this will be removed.
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10/01/2008 19:30:01
Oh dear, the hootsman is getting riled. A taste of things to come methinks..
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Steve,

Bo'ness 10/01/2008 20:27:49
The Finns have system where they put a little flag trademark on all Finnish produce, and the people really try to help the economy by buying local, all things from potatoes to clothing. They view it as an act of patriotism. We should be looking at implementing something similar in Scotland, it would not only greener but a huge boost to the Scottish economy.
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Mr ED Scotland could sink into the sea the morra and it would not make one iota of a difference to the c\o
emissions that are damaging the so called enviroment
your pathetic wee green campaign was lost as soon as the millionaire hypocrites that you say have signed up
[ie] mone and co opend their gobs.
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54. I know my post will be removed.
for telling the truth.
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Evan Owen,

Dyffryn Ardudwy 10/01/2008 21:49:14
Option 1
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John Cameron,

Broughty Ferry 11/01/2008 08:12:56
Why have all these comments been removed as 'unsuitable'? Surely it is not because large numbers of Scottish people do not share the view of the 'Scotsman'. 1984 anyone? You had better remove this item as EXTREMELY unsuitable, Big Brother.
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HA,

Beith 11/01/2008 09:10:14
Suggestion: either remove plastic bags from supermarkets and replace them with large paper bags as in the US OR don't make holes in the carrier bags, so we can use them in our household bins. Would drastically cut plastic.
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Crieff 11/01/2008 09:34:26
Ha! We do the ultimate in greenery! The midgies in Strathyre are awful in the summer so we have a C02 midge catcher. When the bag is full of the blighters we freeze them and then feed them to our free range chickens! Yum! Actually, maybe all the CO2 that the machine pumps out is bad??! Also, I am a District Nurse and today I doing my rounds on foot instead of jumping in and out of the car.
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Tricya,

Edinburgh 11/01/2008 10:49:55
Thank you Scotsman you have helped to relieve some of my worry by starting this campaign most of which I do, phasing this in over the last two years. Hopefully through your newspaper you will reach some of the people who drop litter all around my area - keep raising awareness - every day it needs to be drummed in.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 11/01/2008 11:57:15
What a load of bunkum from the Scotsman. Pure, unadulterated propaganda.
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Unimpressed one,

11/01/2008 12:48:07
"Testicles" is fine Dave.
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Alexander the Scot,

MICHIGAN U. S.A. 11/01/2008 17:18:37
WHAT A LOAD OF RUBBISH, STARTING WITH THE EDITOR REMOVING OPINIONS OF SO CALLED FREE PEOPLE... WHAT KIND OF "NEWSPAPER" IS THAT?!
AS FAR AS SCOTLAND MAKING A DIFFERENCE TO THE ECOLOGY BY USING PLASTIC BAGS OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND OTHER SUCH NONSENSE, GET A GRIP OF REALITY MR EDITOR. ONE CITY IN CHINA, QINGHAI HAS A POPULATION OF THREE TIMES THAT OF SCOTLAND. CHINA IS PORING OUT UNCONTROLLED DIRTY COAL SMOKE BY THE TONNE EVERY DAY AND NIGHT FROM HUNDREDS OF SUCH CITIES, YET NEVER A WORD OF PROTEST, NOT EVEN A MURMUR FROM SUCH AS YOU MR EDITOR
SCOTLAND MAKES AS MUCH DIFFERENCE ON THE WORLD'S ECOLOGY AS A PIMPLE ON AN ELEPHANT'S BACKSIDE, SO ENJOY LIFE FOLKS,THE PEOPLE WITH ALL THE WEALTH SUCH AS AL BORE ARE DOING SO, THEY ARE USING PRIVATE JETS THAT ALLOW THEM TO BY-PASS THE SECURITY CHECKS AT AIRPORTS WHILE THE REST OF US HAVE TO REMOVE SHOES, BELTS, HATS, AND EVEN PLACE SMALL CHANGE IN A TRAY.
WHAT THE BIG MONEY PEOPLE REALLY WANT IS A RETURN TO THE 1930S WHEN THEY HAD THE ROADS ALL TO THEMSELVES, WITH YOU ON BICYLES, AND THEY IN THEIR BIG MOTOR CARS DRIVEN BY CHAUFFEUR,LOCK TUGGING LACKIES.
REMEMBER FOLKS, YOU ARE A LONG TIME DEAD, SO DON'T LET THESE SWINE REMOVE THE LITTLE LIFE THAT YOU HAVE.

HOW SOON BEFORE THIS COMMENT IS REMOVED MR EDITOR???
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Slioch,

Scottish Highlands 11/01/2008 18:49:54
#66 Alexander the Scot

Save us the capitals please. You don't have to shout.
So Scotland is a small country and cannot solve the world's problems on its own. Did you manage to work that out all by yourself?

But to conclude that there is therefore no point in doing anything is absurd. You may as well argue that there is no point in an individual refraining from mugging old ladies. After all, what difference would it make to the overall crime figures. So, ask yourself: do you go out mugging old ladies? and if not, why not?
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Driller-m,

Aberdeen 11/01/2008 21:10:45
While I try to do my bit - to some extent - turn lights off, reuse plastic bags, minimise food packaging, modest thermostat setting, air drying of clothes (but - car to work - 20 minutes, bus to work - 80 minutes), this will NEVER, EVER have any impact upon the world.

Many of the things we are urged to do seem based on faulty logic : -
'Low energy' bulbs. Where does the heat from bulbs go to? - into our houses - so it's not 'lost' just slightly more expensive (yet the low energy bulb uses more resources to make and does not last so very long if you keep turning it off).
Buying carbon offsets. You might as well put the money into the lottery for all the good that will do.
We are being asked to buy ourselves out of trouble - does that not sound illogical? Yup, but if the government says it loud enough we think they are doing something.
Read 'Heat' by George Monbiot (it's OK, he's British)- the only way to change things is with a carbon limit per person.
Please could the Scotsman put some science thought, rather than simplistic government support, into this initiative.
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Alexander the Scot,

MICHIGAN U.S.A. 11/01/2008 21:14:38
Slioch-67
I did not intend for my posting to be so long, therefore I started with capitals to take up a little more space, not to SHOUT. You are a fool Sir, mugging old ladies indeed! You appear to be more familiar with that "pastime" than me, it is something that has never come to my mind, the same cannot be said of you. A word of caution though, be careful, some of those old ladies might just knock you on your rear end the next time you try it.
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mark jacobs,

edinburgh 12/01/2008 11:32:59
66 said all i was gonna say .apart from i put all my rubbish in a green wheelie bin and then let the council sort it out for recycling thats why i pay very high council tax i dont need to put my used paper in coloured boxes and used tines etc in bags .
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Mark Renton,

Edinburgh 16/01/2008 06:18:01
Fact: By far the most substantial "green" contribution anyone can make is also the simplest. Simply have fewer children. Any other contribution pales by comparison. Having one child creates a legacy of consumption that completely obliterates any and all "green" efforts that you could ever make in your own lifetime. This truth is self-evident and yet it appears to be too painful to say out loud. Instead we are left with the guilt-inducing nonsense that is printed day-after-day in this wretched publication.
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Elaine M,

nr Dunkeld 16/01/2008 12:55:03
I do all I can to practice what I preach - and I do preach, but I also recognise some of the barriers to enabling everyone switch to a green lifestyle. If we want everyone to follow our example we must create a level playing field - irrespective of income. Whilst many of the Scotsman pledges are low or no cost, it isn't always easy or possible for lower income families to take the green option. Perhaps a personal carbon credit scheme would help with this where everyone is given a fixed amount of carbon they can produce every year (which reduces every year) and they can make choices within that limit to reflect their own life - but they can't buy their way out of a carbon greedy lifestyle. That combined with action at central and local government level to make it easier for everyone to live within these limits by investing seriously in green electricity and heat generation (start by decentralising city energy systems and insulating left right and centre), subsidising local food production and supporting local food co-ops, giving us a decent public transport system that really does work rather than building more roads to keep us in our cars, set decent standards for our local tourist industry to make us feel that it is worth spending a small fortune to holiday at home - we need to pull our socks up on this one big time, and lots lots more...

My own performance?

Home: insulated as much as possible, have a wood pellet heating system, a wood burning stove and plumbed for solar water heating ready for when I can afford it. Oh and I get my electricity from a green supplier.
Travel: largely work from home but live rurally and I do still drive too much. Last long haul flight 12 years ago and much prefer internal rail travel.
Food: still guilty of using the supermarket but I do get an organic veg delivery which is cheap, tasty and easy. Don't compost which is disgraceful.
Taking Action: I founded the Dundee Sun City project to make Dundee Scotland's first
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Elaine M,

nr Dunkeld 16/01/2008 12:59:33
And my words to the ‘sceptics’ – what harm is there in doing any of this stuff? There is even a chance that it will make your angry lives and those of your grandkids a bit better. So – go on….

 

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