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Published Date: 20 September 2008
REPUBLICAN presidential candidate John McCain, facing falling popularity, has demanded the sacking of the chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) after this week's banking meltdown.
Accusing Christopher Cox of having betrayed the public trust, he said: "If I were president today I would fire him."

But the Wall Street Journal yesterday blasted his attack on the SEC chairman as "unpresidential", saying the assault on Mr Cox was both false and deeply unfair.

The broadside came as polls show his Democrat rival, Barack Obama, edging ahead in key swing states amid public anxiety over the banking crisis.

These polls show Mr McCain has been only partly successful in distancing himself from the Republican Bush administration and from his own former support for the deregulation of Wall Street that many blame for the crisis.

Mr McCain, who in the primaries admitted he did not have the strongest grasp of economic issues, proposed stricter regulation of Wall Street and promised if elected to end "reckless behaviour".

He outlined a package of proposals, yesterday calling for the creation of a new agency, the Mortgage and Financial Institutions Trust, to safeguard the homes and life savings of all Americans.

However, these are difficult times for the Arizona senator. While he scores higher than Mr Obama on matters of national security, Americans prefer his Democrat rival on economic matters, now issue number one in most voters' minds.

Adding to his troubles, some of the shine has come off his running mate, Sarah Palin.

Her husband, Todd, refused to obey a subpoena to attend hearings yesterday over the so-called "Troopergate" controversy, in which Ms Palin, the Alaska governor, is alleged to have sacked a security chief over his failure to fire state trooper Mike Wooton, her former brother-in-law.

Polls show Mrs Palin is still more loved than loathed, but her favourability rating in a New York Times/CBS poll fell four points to 40 while her unfavourability rating jumped eight points to 30 with some voters unimpressed with her shaky grasp of foreign policy. In a bid to overcome this perceived shortcoming, Mr McCain is taking her to the United Nations General Assembly in New York next week.

While Mr McCain continues to run neck-and-neck with Mr Obama in most national polls, Mr Obama holds a slight lead in the key states of Ohio and Pennsylvania and is only a few points behind in the traditional Republican strongholds of Indiana and Virginia.

Several organisations including the Washington Post and CNN are also complaining of misleading McCain campaign advertisements, including one that falsely claimed Mr Obama voted for sex education classes for nursery school children.

Yesterday Mr Obama met a number of economic officials in Miami, most of them from Bill Clinton's administration in the 1990s. He held back from offering his own plan to change Wall Street's practices but said he supported efforts by the Treasury Department and Federal Reserve to work out a financial rescue package.

BACKGROUND

THE "Troopergate" investigation is looking at whether the Republican Party's vice-presidential nominee abused her power as governor of Alaska.

Sarah Palin initially welcomed the investigation of accusations that she sacked Walt Monegan, the state's public safety commissioner, because he refused to fire state trooper Mike Wooten, who had divorced her sister.

"Hold me accountable," she said, maintaining she fired Monegan over budget disagreements. But she has increasingly opposed the investigation since becoming John McCain's running mate.

It is claimed unco-operative witnesses, such as her husband, Todd, are sidetracking the inquiry until after US election on 4 November.



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  • Last Updated: 19 September 2008 10:30 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: John McCain , US elections
 
1

Yane,

20/09/2008 00:10:39
Well, that would be right eh? A major crisis in economics & the McCain answer is to sack a bloke.
2

2dogs in D.C.,

Just another yellow dog democrat 20/09/2008 00:21:06
Yane-What can I say? Don't blame me.
3

Jock MacSprog,

Edinburgh and Washington 20/09/2008 00:29:55
Actually, you can point the finger of blame firmly at slick Willie Clinton. He and his dem pals in Congress forced the banks to lend mortgage funds to inner city people with bad credit, unstable job histories and no money down. We are now feeling the effects of this misguided liberal boondoggle.
4

2dogs in D.C.,

20/09/2008 00:34:19
#3-Jock-Washington State, or the District of Columbia?
5

Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 20/09/2008 00:34:20
For crying out loud.. that should be the 1st step. This has been going on since 1992. Where is the accountability? We can't keep printing money, and we certainly can't keep taxing the taxpapers, even if they are patriotic!! (Obama)
WE the people have to know who the made these bad choices. They are acountable to us!! All of these steps they are taking probably have to be done, but the US Gov't is not in the business to be in business. This could all be unconstitutional to say the very least.
It's going to have to go through Congress (what a laugh), but rather than have a global recession and/or depression, the gov't will now be in the mortgage, savings and loans, and insurance company business.
If the Democrats have their way, we will also be bailing out car companies again.
On top of this Medicare is in crisis, Social Security is sick, and they are trying to get and run Universal Healthcare.
Give ME a break.
6

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 20/09/2008 00:36:07
"If I were president today I would fire him."

What would you do then Mr McCain?

I thought so, you don't have a clue, do you.
7

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 20/09/2008 00:38:30
"Mr McCain, who in the primaries admitted he did not have the strongest grasp of economic issues"

The man is a master at understatement.
8

Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 20/09/2008 00:42:38
The only one with a clue is Harry Reid, the Undertaker ... He said it himself.. "Don't know what we can do"!!
9

2dogs in D.C.,

20/09/2008 00:45:59
The reason I ask, Jock, is if it's D.C., I'll treat you to lunch at Guapos on Conneticut Ave.Your call.
10

Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 20/09/2008 00:49:33
*without* a clue...sorry I was typing too fast!!
11

Jock MacSprog,

Edinburgh and DC 20/09/2008 00:52:24
I wont be back until Nov, but if you make it Rio Grande you have a deal
12

2dogs in D.C.,

20/09/2008 00:56:43
Jock-Mercy, please, I'm but a poor service employee.
13

2dogs in D.C.,

20/09/2008 00:59:19
Add to #12-Come on, Jock, You know how the U.S. finances are these days;)
14

Kelvino,

NY 20/09/2008 02:11:01
Lynne:

"If the Democrats have their way, we will also be bailing out car companies again.
On top of this Medicare is in crisis, Social Security is sick, and they are trying to get and run Universal Healthcare.
Give ME a break.

You just got your "break," . . . . . courtesy of the New Socialist Republican/Conservative bailout.

By all accounts, we might not have a working economy next week if this move were not made. We "liberals" are astounded at the speed with which these "conservatives" embrace a "big government" solution to a private-enterprise problem. Perhaps a little oversight along the way might have prevented such a catastrophe. Greed. . . . . . .

15

Kelvino,

NY 20/09/2008 02:19:07
More and more, McCain appears as a befuddled old war veteran, trapped in his own past and at war with contemporary thought. This once-vibrant man is now a relic and his thinking confused and angry.

As his numbers continue to go down, watch him become more visibly irritated and nasty; typical Alzheimer's behavior.
16

Richardinho,

20/09/2008 02:28:54
I think McCain is probably a good man, but he's out of his depth. The fact that the right wing nutters who previously vehemently opposed him have are all supporting him now tells me that he's likely to be a puppet president for the old right-wing vested interests.
17

thatscottishman,

20/09/2008 02:47:15
#16 Richardinho

That or they are looking at the other choice of Obama and are going with the lesser of two evils.
18

Kelvino,

NY 20/09/2008 02:51:42
#16 - Richardinho

I think what is left of McCain's aging brain is intended for control, as you suggest, and the eye-candy, in the form of Sarah Palin, is a poor attempt to distract us all from McCain's mental frailty.

The "Maverick" title should be amended to "MUDDLED !"
19

Richardinho,

20/09/2008 03:10:38
If he gets elected, McCain will be the pu55y-whipped president. It's painfully obvious who wears the trousers between him and His VP nominee.
20

Julian.,

edinburgh 20/09/2008 03:11:12
Whatever you say about McCains suggestions, they can't be much worse than current policy.

Your dream land of free markets and capitalism has provided the following solutions:-

Bail out AIG, bail out Bear Stearns.

Nationalise your 2 biggest motgage lenders who account for half the market.

Take over all the worst bad debts of financial insititions....

All at the taxpayers expense.

Yeah great, that's really going to teach all those banks to behave themselves in future.
21

Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 20/09/2008 04:15:57
Kelvino...don't count your chickens... If you had read my post properly you would have seen I said just that.
"All of these steps they are taking probably have to be done, but the US Gov't is not in the business to be in business".
McCain is not a befuddled old anything..And his numbers are not going down the way you think...this is still a VERY CLOSE RACE.
This jerk BO, on his trip to Iraq, went to the Prime Minister and BEGGED him not to sign the Security Pact they we and Iraq have been working on...UNTIL.. After the election. Why hasn't the media told you that? Who is Iraq supposed to trust when BO says he might not honor this Security Pact? Who are they supposed to negotiate with? He is a President Wanabee and that is all. I saw the FM telling this to the interviewer. And what he did was ILLEGAL!! They are not happy with BO at all.
And then the Rock Star goes to Berlin, London and apologizes for the US. THIS is the man you want for President? So much for Foreign Affairs experience for him...NONE

Back to economy...You can't tax your way out of this problem..no matter how patriotic your are.. it is too big, and you can't nationalize every big business and corporation, or bail them out. So now, it is up to the discretion of the Gov't which business survives, and which business doesn't.

I don't know what business you are in, but I have had this experience already. The one where the gov't decides to to "go into business". Funny, it didn't work out for them at all. I don't think they are doing it anymore. They just put freezes up to block everyone else from doing business.
Needless to say from 37 people working for us, we went down to 6. So please, I know what's going on, and now it is a necessity to do this... but who suffers? The small businessman AGAIN.
And like this Julian says in #20
" Yeah great, that's really going to teach all those banks to behave themselves in future.
"
22

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 20/09/2008 05:14:47
Surely this is not the time to install a frail old man to the post of president. It needs someone with energy and stamina with the wherewithall to change the fiasco of the last eight years.

23

Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 20/09/2008 05:43:10
LHTT..

He's no frail old man.. and surely it is not time to elect a man who says don't make this racial, and injects race into the campaign, a man who is #2 on the list of the most money accepted from Fannie Mae, and Freddie Mac of all the Senators and Representatives.. a man who has VERY LITTLE foreign affairs experience, and is willing to sit down with any dictator, without preconditions, and is looking to tax us into more debt, or out of business.
And I wonder what you will say when you hit the age of 70...since when does that make you frail? I play tennis with some people of that age.. they aren't frail. I live in a state with huge amounts of retirees, and where I live, they are walking the trails, swimming in the pools, playing golf and tennis, and belong to many organizations. So, I have come to the conclusion you have an age phobia, or you are an "ageist." Grow up.
24

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta CA..for more WAR VOTE McCain 20/09/2008 05:58:36
#21

Dudess save you time and effort.

The geriatric McCain is one step away from his coffin.
Ever seen him with his make up off. Or watch him stumble down the steps of a charter plane.

And don't give me his sob story about Vietnam and keeping America safe.

57,000 young Americans died in Vietnam and 90,000+ were maimed for life. And when they came home they were spat on. They were not the lucky ones.

McCain got off lucky , sitting in a cell for 5 years. And broke under torture.

Same scenario was repeated by the evil Bush in Guantanamo where inmates were and are tortured.

Here are a few of McCain's recent statements.

I am a Maverick.
I don't know much about economics.
I will keep troops in IRAQ for 100 years if that's what it take for victory.
I will deregulate , I will deregulate.
I will clear out all lobbyists from Washington
I will keep America safe and I voted for the War.

McCain has 7 Washington lobbyists working in his campaign.
McCain told Russia to back off Georgia we would take action.

This geriatric rambles on and on and his eyes nearly pop out when Palin squeeks her set pieces on stage. day in day out.

My opinion, Obama will win and the millions of redneck Americans will be madder than hell. they will vomit at the sight of a half-caste living in the White House.

The fact that Obama is well educated and intelligent is ignored by these rabid GOP rednecks.
Bush by comparison is Dumb and Dummer, but worse than that he is evil .

Happy hour is round the corner

GC


25

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 20/09/2008 06:35:32
Ironically enough all of this financial turmoil is a direct result of the botched Iraq and Afgan wars causing the massive hike in crude prices and the uncertainty in the markets.
He should be asking for Bush cheney and Rummy to be impeached and imprisoned for treason in bringing the US to its knees.
26

Pilrig.,

Livingston 20/09/2008 06:46:28
20 - the Red Flag flies over Washington. : )
27

Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 20/09/2008 06:53:59
What brought down Wall Street?
Financial crisis arose from bad choices, greed, failure to learn from mistakes
By Paul Barrett
Business Week
updated 6:06 p.m. ET, Fri., Sept. 19, 2008
In times of high stress, many in the financial world seek solace in watery metaphors. We hear of vast irresistible forces converging in "perfect storms" and unforeseeable events contributing to "100-year floods."
How could we have expected, let alone prevented, this?
Count on Warren E. Buffett to cut to the truth. Years ago, referring to reckless corporate debt, Buffett noted (or so the story goes): "You never know who is swimming naked until the tide goes out."
The tide's moving, and we're starting to get the full, not-so-pretty view. Along with the bare swimmers emerging from the soggy murk, we're being reminded of some of the dumb ideas and reckless choices that helped deliver us to our current debacle. As stunning as the scene seems, we've actually had plenty of experience with this sort of thing. But like some stubborn residents of hurricane zones, we swiftly choose to forget the last tempest and reassure ourselves that things will be different from now on. Why don't we learn the obvious lesson to the contrary? Answers: the timeless power of hubris during periods when profits seem easy, and a set of foolish financial notions that have become prevalent over the past three decades.

One of those beliefs is the indiscriminate anti-regulatory ideology one hears preached on Wall Street with tent-revival fervor. What makes this thinking so perplexing is that many of the free-market true believers also assume the federal government will save them if they flop. Consider the extraordinary taxpayer-backed rescues of insurance titan American International Group, housing financiers Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and, before those, the Treasury-guided merger of Bear Stearns into JPMorgan Chase. It brings to mind the homeowner who rants about getting Washington off his back but w
28

Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 20/09/2008 06:57:32
continued

. It brings to mind the homeowner who rants about getting Washington off his back but wants federally guaranteed flood insurance no matter how close to the Gulf Coast he builds his house.
Other by-now-familiar attitudes have helped put us in the drink: In good times, there's no such thing as too much leverage. (Remember Michael Milken?) Derivatives don't require oversight, even though almost no one understands them. (How now, Long-Term Capital Management?) And, don't worry, the quantitative geniuses have devised models to eliminate extreme risk. (Enron, anyone?)
"Now, again, the banks and the Bush administration and [Treasury Secretary Henry] Paulson and [Federal Reserve Chairman Ben] Bernanke would like you to think these crises are like floods or hurricanes," says Michael Greenberger, a senior official at the Commodity Futures Trading Commission during the Clinton administration. An advocate of more aggressive regulation of investment banks, he was shot down in the late 1990s by Democratic colleagues, not just GOP foes.

Most financial calamities aren't like natural forces beyond control, Greenberger says. "These are predictable events." Predictable events, of course, are more likely to be prevented with sound rules and stiff enforcement.
The long view
Alfred E. Kahn offers the long view — a very long view. As the Carter administration's aviation czar, he unshackled airline routes and fares in the late 1970s, reshaping that industry (for better and worse) and helping spur a lengthy era of economic deregulation. Still sharp at 91, the retired Cornell University economist and part-time consultant recalls that almost as soon as the free-market spirits were set loose, a furious stampede ensued.
29

Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 20/09/2008 06:58:53
continued..

Lenders, for one, demanded lots more freedom. But they "were a different kind of animal" from airlines and trucking firms, which the Carterites also deregulated, Kahn says. "They were animals that had a direct effect on the macroeconomy. That is very different from the regulation of industries that provided goods and services. ... I never supported any type of deregulation of banking."
During the Reagan years, Kahn's cautious industry-by-industry analysis was replaced by the all-encompassing anti-regulatory ideology of the University of Chicago. One result: the liberation of an armada of savings and loan pirates, abetted by congressional Democrats as well as Republicans, many of them drunk on S&L campaign largesse. (Wall Street lobbyists with open wallets have since perfected the practice of neutralizing Congress on a bipartisan basis.) Hundreds of thrifts ultimately collapsed in the late 1980s and 1990s amid greedy and, in some cases, fraudulent real estate deals.
As early as 2000, William J. Brennan, a prominent consumer attorney who has represented mortgage borrowers since the S&L catastrophe, warned in testimony before the House Financial Services Committee that real estate finance would return in new guises to haunt us. Few listened. Behind every burst of ill-advised lending lurk financial innovators creating new mechanisms to entice ever-more-sketchy borrowers, says Brennan, the director of Atlanta Legal Aid Society's Home Defense Program.

In the 1980s, Michael Milken and his comrades at the now-defunct Drexel Burnham Lambert investment bank exacerbated the S&L fiasco by hawking their thrift clients' high-risk junk bonds. More recently the likes of soon-to-be-defunct Lehman Brothers and Bear Stearns engineered the securitization of mortgages, encouraging home lenders to spew wildly unwise loans. "Lending without regard [for] the ability to pay back started with the S&L scandal," says Brennan. In the 1980s the borrowers were reckless shopp
30

Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 20/09/2008 07:01:33
continued..
"Lending without regard [for] the ability to pay back started with the S&L scandal," says Brennan. In the 1980s the borrowers were reckless shopping-mall developers; in the recent boom, unsophisticated and sometimes cavalier homeowners.
Wall Street transformed dicey subprime mortgages into the toxic securities that have required hundreds of billions in writedowns and that drove once-mighty Merrill Lynch to sell itself to Bank of America. One of the most striking aspects of the current turbulence is the degree to which banks invested in the noxious fare themselves, notes Emanuel Derman, who heads risk management at Prisma Capital Partners, a hedge fund in Jersey City, N.J. "These guys ate their own cooking; they didn't just pass it on to clients."
The outsize appetite on Wall Street for hazardous mortgage-backed securities and even more obscure derivatives has had a lot to do with the people in the kitchen failing to understand fully what was in their recipes. All of this is painfully familiar to anyone who paid attention to past adventures with wizards who claimed their esoteric models had magically eliminated risk and uncertainty. Hedge fund Long-Term Capital Management couldn't imagine Russia defaulting on its debt, much as Lehman apparently couldn't conceive of housing prices across the country deteriorating simultaneously, followed by a paralyzing credit crunch.

For four years in the mid-1990s, LTCM boasted extraordinary profits based on supposedly flawless computer formulas devised by a team that included two Nobel laureates. But in the summer of 1998, Russian credit disintegrated, one of several concurrent global shocks that the LTCM crew had failed to factor into their algorithms. After losing more than $4 billion in a few months — in retrospect, the amount seems almost quaint — the hedge fund received a federally organized rescue, although it later shut down altogether.

Financial "rocket scientists," says Henry T. Hu, a corporate law
31

Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 20/09/2008 07:02:53
continued..

Financial "rocket scientists," says Henry T. Hu, a corporate law professor at the University of Texas in Austin, have a knack for neglecting low-probability, catastrophic events. The smartest guys in the room at Enron similarly assumed away risks they didn't want to confront. "These models … work in normal circumstances but not during times of market stress, when it really matters," Hu says. "It is almost like a safety belt that only fails in a serious car crash."

One of the things that dismayed outsiders about LTCM after it came apart was the size and complexity of its derivatives portfolio. Some in the Clinton administration pushed for more oversight of the unregulated, privately traded instruments whose value derives from price shifts in currencies, securities, or other assets. Then-Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan, allied with Robert E. Rubin, Clinton's Treasury secretary (and now a director and senior counselor at Citigroup), opposed tougher policing of derivatives. Banks could watch over each other more effectively than regulators could, Greenspan argued. This turned out to be shortsighted.
In an interview, Greenspan doesn't back down, even after all we've seen lately. "The majority of lawyers, in my experience, seek to regulate — that is, to contain certain activities with little weight given to the lost benefits of such activities," he says. "The question is: What do you lose? In this case, a very valuable instrument [credit default swaps, the derivatives at the core of the current mess] for the diminution of systemic risk. You can stop the system dead and eliminate speculative losses. But you will also get significantly reduced economic activity and ultimately lower standards of living."


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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 20/09/2008 07:05:43
continued..

Greenspan adds: "I've been extraordinarily distressed by how badly the most sophisticated people in the business handled risk management. But the question is: If, protecting their own resources, they can't do it, who's going to do it better?" (Well, maybe regulators who don't have big bonuses at stake would be less likely to get carried away by the euphoria.)
‘Too big to fail’
Rubin says separately that he didn't oppose the general idea of scrutinizing derivatives, but instead argued against particular proposals in the late '90s to expand CFTC authority. "I have always been concerned about derivatives," he says.
Michael Greenberger served as the CFTC's director of trading and markets at the time. A proponent of tougher oversight, he recalls the Greenspan-Rubin resistance as being fierce and across-the-board. "If we had prevailed, the [subprime-securitization] party would never have gotten started; the wildness wouldn't have happened," he says. "There would have been auditing requirements, capital requirements, transparency. No more operating in the shadows. Bear Stearns, Lehman, Enron, and AIG would be thriving, and spending every waking hour complaining about regulatory restraints imposed upon them."
Now a law professor at the University of Maryland, Greenberger adds: "In a booming economy, people couldn't be convinced that without corrections, LTCM would happen again — bigger and with more ramifications." Today, Bear, Lehman, and AIG have untold amounts of outlandish derivatives on their books. It could be years before anyone untangles what they're worth.
One other legacy of LTCM is "moral hazard": the prospect that other financial actors would take greater risks because at some level they'd assume that they, too, would be considered "too big to fail." Surely one can surmise that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac overstepped in part because of an implied federal safety net that turned out to be a very real one.



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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 20/09/2008 07:06:18
continued..

Edward S. Lampert, the hedge fund tycoon who controls Sears Holdings, worries about yet another twist. He says the current wave of federal intervention sends the opposite signal from what's intended: that officials are panicking because of broader instability. "As an investor, that was my immediate reaction" to the Fannie and Freddie moves, he says. "They completely destroyed confidence in any financial institution."
Lampert frets that with investment banks failing and merging, the resulting consolidation will concentrate risk and invite more rescues. "You are going to have Citi, JPMorgan, and Bank of America with $2 trillion-plus in assets each," he notes. "That's three times the size of Fannie and Freddie. Now if they end up with problems, what do you think is going to happen? They are too big to fail."
Copyright © 2008 The McGraw-Hill Companies Inc. All rights reserved.
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suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 20/09/2008 07:09:00
27 to 33

And lets not forget the Iraq and Afgan wars and their effects on the markets.
Or are you going to claim there was no effect or the effect was minimal?
35

Boy Wonder,

20/09/2008 07:29:55
In America with the approaching elections, the voting is going to be a case of "better the devil you know, than the devil you don't!"
36

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 20/09/2008 08:05:47
#23 Lynne

Your reference to Obama:-

"and is looking to tax us into more debt"

If you didn't know it you've just been hit with the most gigantic taxing your country has ever seen by your beloved Bush regime.

By the way, I am already over 70 years of age and I am as healthy as I was 30 years ago. McCain is NOT.
37

Itchy,

20/09/2008 09:14:14
#14 "We "liberals" are astounded at the speed with which these "conservatives" embrace a "big government" solution to a private-enterprise problem"

This is a government interventionist problem and you are part of it and not part of the solution.

This is all caused by the Federal reserve inflating the currency.

It should be scrapped and the gold standard returned. And cut taxes, while you're at it.
38

Itchy,

20/09/2008 09:18:12
#20"Your dream land of free markets and capitalism has provided the following solutions"

Where is the capitalism in America? And the free marekets?

This is all interventionism.
39

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 20/09/2008 09:36:17
37 38

No this is all a direct result of the wars in Iraq and Afganistan forcing up the price of oil above 3 figures over a sustained period.
The rot started when you elected the Bush regime and now we are all going to pay the price.
Gee thanks folks.
40

Silence of the Yams,

20/09/2008 09:48:04
Obama is too big a risk and hasn't convinced. Wouldn't get my vote.
41

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 20/09/2008 09:48:50

On Monday, as the demise of the Lehman Brothers marked one of the most dramatic Wall Street crises in generations, Senator John McCain reiterated his long-standing belief that the fundamentals of the economy were 'strong'. He suggested that the 'very, very difficult times' - as he himself put it - would be beyond the American people because the underlying conditions of the staggering US economy were 'still' sound. The Republican presidential nominee's assertion reinforces the implications of a Huffington Post report published in January. "At a meeting with the Wall Street Journal editorial board, John McCain admitted he didn't 'really understand economics' and then pointed to his adviser and former Senate colleague, Phil Gramm - whom he had brought with him to the meeting - as the expert he turns to on the subject." Then again it is possible that the 72-year-old, who is campaigning hard to take control of the US in the midst of a simmering financial crisis, was so busy maintaining his camp that he was unable to perceive the deteriorating economic conditions over the course of this year. In the past few days, however, the Wall Street meltdown was so massive that it almost eclipsed the 2008 White House race. Hours before McCain's address to supporters in Jacksonville, Florida, financial giant Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc, the storied Wall Street securities firm, filed for bankruptcy. Lehman, once the fourth-largest US investment bank by market capitalization, lost the confidence of investors as its balance sheet sagged under the weight of more than $46 billion of mortgage-backed and asset-backed securities. Merrill Lynch, another Wall Street icon, was given a lifeline as it was forced to sell itself at a discount price to Bank of America on Monday. The drama in the US financial system was then taken to Dow Jones industrial average, wiping more than 500 points shortly after its opening on Monday. American Insurance Group (AIG) was the next victim. The biggest insurer
42

Let's have the truth,

20/09/2008 09:49:56
continued

On Monday, as the demise of the Lehman Brothers marked one of the most dramatic Wall Street crises in generations, Senator John McCain reiterated his long-standing belief that the fundamentals of the economy were 'strong'. He suggested that the 'very, very difficult times' - as he himself put it - would be beyond the American people because the underlying conditions of the staggering US economy were 'still' sound. The Republican presidential nominee's assertion reinforces the implications of a Huffington Post report published in January. "At a meeting with the Wall Street Journal editorial board, John McCain admitted he didn't 'really understand economics' and then pointed to his adviser and former Senate colleague, Phil Gramm - whom he had brought with him to the meeting - as the expert he turns to on the subject." Then again it is possible that the 72-year-old, who is campaigning hard to take control of the US in the midst of a simmering financial crisis, was so busy maintaining his camp that he was unable to perceive the deteriorating economic conditions over the course of this year. In the past few days, however, the Wall Street meltdown was so massive that it almost eclipsed the 2008 White House race. Hours before McCain's address to supporters in Jacksonville, Florida, financial giant Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc, the storied Wall Street securities firm, filed for bankruptcy. Lehman, once the fourth-largest US investment bank by market capitalization, lost the confidence of investors as its balance sheet sagged under the weight of more than $46 billion of mortgage-backed and asset-backed securities. Merrill Lynch, another Wall Street icon, was given a lifeline as it was forced to sell itself at a discount price to Bank of America on Monday. The drama in the US financial system was then taken to Dow Jones industrial average, wiping more than 500 points shortly after its opening on Monday. American Insurance Group (AIG) was the next victim. The bigg
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. The biggest insurer in the US had its credit ratings cut, forcing it to agree to a stunning government takeover - in which the government will get a 79.9 percent stake and the right to remove senior management. McCain's Monday remarks brought hell on his advisors. The so-called economists took all night to bring the 72-year-old senator up to speed - a job that seems rather hard given McCain's economic credentials. Carly Fiorina, Hewlett-Packard CEO turned senior McCain aide, said the next day in two different interviews that she did not believe his boss would be capable of running 'a major corporation'. Who knows if it was a night of teaching economics to John McCain that prompted a senior economic advisor to the Republican to make such remarks?
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McCain stepped out on Tuesday to defend his observation. He said by a strong economic backbone he was referring to 'the American worker' - a rather unorthodox definition. "Well, it's obviously true that the workers of America are the fundamentals of our economy, and our strength and our future. And I believe in the American worker, and someone who disagrees with that - it's fine," McCain told Matt Lauer on the NBC News television program Today. As a matter of fact, not only do his opponents not agree with him, many economists have questioned the parallel McCain drew. Obama spokesman Ben LaBolt said John McCain 'must think the American people are stupid' if he seeks to clean up his 'out-of-touch' statement. The reality seems to be that American workers are themselves the ones taking a beating because the ailing US economy is stressed by fundamental problems - housing, finance, credit, employment, health care and the federal budget crises. Maybe it's just that no one else feels the economy the way McCain does.
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Let's have the truth,

20/09/2008 09:53:57
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Sorry about that
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Let's have the truth,

20/09/2008 09:55:41
#40 Silence of the Yams

"Obama is too big a risk and hasn't convinced. Wouldn't get my vote"

Yes, McCain has a real grasp of the financial situation. Are you kidding?
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blackley,

Edinburgh 20/09/2008 11:30:37
So the Republican Party is now the champion of the people against Wall St! How ironic! I thought they were supposed to be in favour of all that market stuff! What a shower they all are really!
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Media 1,

cape town 20/09/2008 11:48:12
The Republicans must be booted into touch - these people are friends with Osama Bin Laden!
Remember him????

He was the guy who was accused for 9/11. But we all know he didnt really do it. Remember the Republican Bush speaking through his bull horn suggesting he was going after the people that did this? Well the world is stil waiting. Did he forget? Or was the plan always to go after Saddam once the attack came?

Osama the Republican eh!
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Kelvino,

Woodstove Ridge, NY 20/09/2008 12:09:58
"The fundamentals of our economy are strong," John McCain said as Wall Street went into white-knuckle panic over diving investor confidence. Does he believe that? It doesn't really matter, because the Republican has outsourced his economic policy to the ideologues whose opposition to regulations brought the financial markets to their knees.

McCain's former economic adviser is ex-Texas Sen. Phil Gramm. On Dec. 15, 2000, hours before Congress was to leave for Christmas recess, Gramm had a 262-page amendment slipped into the appropriations bill. It FORBADE federal agencies to regulate the financial derivatives that greased the skids for passing along risky mortgage-backed securities to investors.

And that, my friends, is why everything's falling apart. That is why the taxpayers are now on the hook for the follies of Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Bear Stearns and now the insurance giant AIG to the tune of $85 billion.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_froma_harrop/mccain_and_the_meltdown

Vote McFuddled !
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Kelvino,

Viagra Valley, NY 20/09/2008 13:03:37
Mind in a muddle ?
Vote for McFuddle. . .
He's the man for you !

With chick by his side
One cannot deride
His go at male firmness renewed !
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mike - across the pond,

ahhh kelvino 20/09/2008 13:29:47
I see your seat at the hardware store has not been un-occupied... arent millstones GREAT?
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
so lets apply a little LOGIC to this now...

Graham (never been a fan of Phil EITHER by the way) slips legislation into being in 2000 to allow packaging and selling of "at risk" mortgages to investors...

where do you think these "at risk" mortgages CAME from? Graham didnt conjure them up from nowhere...

and let me get this straight... are you BEHIND what they are proposing? or against it?
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Kelvino,

Liberty Junction, NY 20/09/2008 13:30:24
"To the extent that the Constitution and laws are read narrowly, as Jefferson wished, the Chief Executive will on occasion feel duty bound to assert monarchical notions of prerogative that will permit him to exceed the law."
-- Dick Cheney



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mike - across the pond,

kelvino.... 20/09/2008 13:42:30
your facts are a wee little bit skewed...

Bear Stearns... taxpayers arent on the hook for that... it was sold, lock, stock, and their tower in manhattan (which as it turns out was the sole reason JPMC went for the deal) to JPM Chase...

Fannie.... has been run into the ground by... BO's FINANCIAL ADVISORS... LOOK IT UP!!!

you want to go on about Lobbyists on McCains campaign... what about JOE-BIDENS SON who right up until a week ago WAS A LOBBYIST HIMSELF.... wonder what HIS job will be in a BO whitehouse....

also, I hear that BO, the champion of "clear thought", has promised the "Admiral of Nebraska" the job of Secretary of Defense... care to extoll the qualifications of THAT thinking??? or was that political expediency on the part of BO to get Hagel into his camp? and Hagel, like the fish he is, swallowed the bait.... hook, line, sinker, boat, AND ocean...
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Laurette,

So Cal. 20/09/2008 13:59:31
#40 The Palin/McCain ticket scares the Hell out of me. I'll vote for Obama/Biden as I feel much safer with them.
Palin is taking a page from the Bush administration with her claims of Executive Privilege in instructing her staff to ignore subpoenas.
Do we really want more of this in the White House?
#51 Isn't that Phil Gramm - not Graham? Isn't he one of McCains Financial Advisors?
#48 Didn't Benazir Bhutto dismiss OBL during an interview in London,saying he was murdered several years ago. Her comment was never followed up on and then she was assassinated. As for 9/11 - it was the Pearl Harbour that PNAC had prayed for and look who has profited from it. Certainly not the poor souls on either side who have died. Only the defense contractors that Eisenhower warned us against.
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Media 1,

cape town 20/09/2008 14:17:54
Scaramouche

At least Barak Obama is not purposely keeping Osama Bin Laden safe!

Obama is not the one that turned his back on the American people to go after Saddam instead of going after Osama.

No, that was Bush and his cronies! And we all know how much of a cronie McCain is...I rest my case, Osama Bin Laden is alive and well and living off American hospitality courtesy of the neo con war mongering fools and their pal John!
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mike - across the pond,

laurette 20/09/2008 14:21:52
palin instructing her staff to ignore subpoenas...

first the "ignored subpoena" was issued to Todd Palin... who is "in the lower-48" as you read this...

you LIVE on the west coast? correct?

lets THINK about this for a second...

do you KNOW how far Juneau is from your house? how long would it take for YOU to get there from wherever you are?

you are aware that the "subpoena" in question was issued THURSDAY, for a FRIDAY deposition...

you know who ISSUED the "subpoena"... a DEMOCRAT who is on the Alaska Judiciary Committee...

all for a hearing on whether somebody may have had "pressure applied" to them?

you are also aware that like the whole "book banning" thing... the CORE incident that this whole thing derives its "journalistic title" from NEVER ACCTUALLY HAPPENED... THE TROOPER IS STILL ON THE JOB!!!

This all doesnt seem a wee little bit strange to you? like SOMEBODY is making "political hay" out of this?

and this doesnt bother you in the slightest?
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mike - across the pond,

media 1 20/09/2008 14:32:21
If you have a scintilla of proof of what you say... about OBL

bring it forth

lets look at "cronie-ism" of the candidates....

McCain voted along party lines 90% of the time
BO voted along party lines 97% of the time

and BO voted WITH MCCAIN 85% of the time

if you disregard all of the "procedural votes" all of the "resolutions" that pass nearly unanimously you will find THIS is where the wheat gets separated from the chaff...

Mccain voted along party lines 55% of the time
BO STILL voted along party lines over 85% of the time

so exactly who do you think is "in the pocket" here?

see your argument kind of falls apart...
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mike - across the pond,

laurette.... 20/09/2008 14:34:52
gramm graham....

did you know what I was talking about?

dost thou quibble?
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Media 1,

cape town 20/09/2008 14:53:09
Mike

Cmon, PROOF?

Think about it for a second.

We see planes attacking America and we are told that it was carried out by Osama Bin Laden!

The obvious response would have been to do what Bush said he would do as he stood on the 9/11 rubble among the many innocent dead. HE SAID "I promise you we will get the people that did this" Now when I heard him say that I believed him. I believed that Bin Laden had played his very last card and I was happy in the knowledge that he was about to be taken out by the Americans.

However, instead of going after Osama Bin Laden, the man Bush suddenly diverted his attention toward Iraq. I remember thinking "why". Saddam had nothing to do with this attack, we knew it was Osama. OR AT LEAST, that is what we were told.

Then we were told that Iraq had to be attacked because they had weapons of mass destruction. Hans Blix made it clear they did not. BUT WHAT DID THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE TWIN TOWERS? Bush said he was going after Osama. Then he didnt, immediately something was wrong with that picture.

Then I began thinking, hang on a second, this is much to convenient. Planes attack America, Bush blames terrorism and Osama, he suggests he is going after Osama, but then suddenly he goes after Saddam and begins signing orders for Halliburton to manufacture weapons?

Then the war started and 9/11 was pushed to the back of the list in terms of reasoning for the war. It was now about weapons of mass destruction that did not exist and some sudden compassion for all the people of Iraq! Bull sh!tt, no way am I buying that!

All that time the apparent attacker of the twin towers, Mr Bin Laden is forgotten about..Why?

If they wanted him, the could find him. They dont want to find him. Finding him would mean opening a can of worms so distorted and unthinkable it would change the poltical landscape of AMERICA forever.

I honestly believe that America attacked America and that Bin Laden was one of the architects who made it h
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Booster,

20/09/2008 15:00:45
What's happened with the American economy is but a teaser for the coming years.
They are hoping to "borrow" $700B (More likely $1Trillion) to purchase toxic bank owned debt. Who will supply this cash exactly?

You would have to be mad to loan more money to this bankrupt economy - especially with the Baby Boomer retirement whammy starting to happen now.

The US and by implication the "Western economies in general" are going to see living standards plummet as Eastern (Asian) economies continue to rise.

Oh happy days.
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mike - across the pond,

media1 20/09/2008 15:05:04
remember a guy named "carlos the jackal"?

it took 20+ years to capture him

AlQueda took credit for 9/11, Bali, Istanbul, Madrid, London...

we have gone after alqueda...

ultimately we lured AlQueda to Iraq... and it appears that we have done extensive damage to that group... agreed?

oh and by the way, Hans Blix NEVER said that Hussein didnt have WMD... he SAID that Hussein was not complying with UN/Kuwait cease fire accords with regards proving he had destroyed his ABILITY TO PRODUCE wmd...
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enazster,

Milwaukie 20/09/2008 15:06:58
It is unfortunate this economic crisis is happening under a Republicans watch. The only winners will be the CEOs, lenders and share holders of these failed corporations. They have ruined our economy and if McCain is elected you can say goodbye to Social Security. It is time these Neo-Fascists are removed from positions of power.
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Media 1,

cape town 20/09/2008 15:11:35
Mike

So you are openly suggesting that the ENTIRE AMERICAN MILITARY worth trillions upon trillions of dollars, with all their technology, their expertise and under cover spy networks CANNOT find Bin Laden?

Al Queda as you call them, dont actually exist, remember? CELL as it translates is a CIA word. A clever piece of marketing. When there is no enemy, but you need an enemy, invent a name and create the face of an entity that does not actually exist. Then provide some money for a few rogues you know you can trust to start a war and BINGO!

Osama is out there because your guys keep it that way!
And why is the obvious question.
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Media 1,

cape town 20/09/2008 15:17:07
And by the way, whilst you are clutching at straws to support BUSH and HIS, "war about creating terror" try and remind me why it is that Osama is still out there?

Oh thats right - they cant find him! hahahahahaha

Aye right! And the pope is a muslim
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 20/09/2008 15:21:27
27 - 33 if you say so Comrade Lynne !
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 20/09/2008 15:27:55
62 - So that's why you comrades invaded Iraq - to lure al qaeda to Iraq.

I wish you'd have let oor PM in on the true nature of the plan, he thought we were there to eliminate the threat of WMDs
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta CA. for more WAR VOTE McCain 20/09/2008 15:41:04
36 Let's have the truth,Queensland

Hey Dude its doesn't take effort to be healthier than a geriatric McCain.
My GF rides his mountain bike for one hour every day, and he still swims at the beach. He is 78 years old. and drinks a couple of martinis every day.

#27.

Wow Dudess , so u have learned to cut and paste. With Ur recent c&p are U get a bronze medal.


Happy hour just round the corner Jan 20 2009

GC




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Richardinho,

20/09/2008 15:56:40
It's always struck me that there is a basic flaw in the 'unfettered free market' model. It results in the big fish eating the smaller fish until you have a monopoly situation which allows the last man standing to dictate his terms to everyone.
If you take this to it's logical conclusion you'll end up with a massive company so large that it would render national governments virtually useless and a de-facto dictatorship.
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 20/09/2008 16:14:38
#36LHTT
I didn't know you were McCain's doctor...and in Queensland!!! You can give him a physical examination all the way from there!!!
You saw his test results and lab work and this is the conclusion you have come to? Have you told him yet? Have you made him aware? I'm sure you could be his second or third opinion. Don't worry, he has the insurance to cover your fee.
But, if this is all true, and this is what you are capable of doing, then if I were you I would advertise, because there are people around the world, who would use your expertise.
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 20/09/2008 16:20:58
Media1 #56...But Obama, DID delibertly go the FM while in Iraq and beg him not to sign the Security Pact UNTIL after the elections? That doesn't sound fishy to you? First of all it is illegal. Secondly, who now are the Iraqis to trust and with whom do the Iraqis negotiation. The Iraqis are not happy with him.
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mike - across the pond,

pilrig 20/09/2008 16:26:19
I think you are beginning to get it....

"he thought we were there to eliminate the threat of WMDs"

thats almost word for word what I have been saying for a LONG time

AND what I said in the last paragraph of post #62....

see "old dogs" CAN learn new tricks....
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Richardinho,

20/09/2008 16:27:03
#71 are the Iraqis important in this election?
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Senga Jean,

20/09/2008 16:29:31
Media 1 just went way up in my estimation. Now if he would just change his views on..........
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mike - across the pond,

richardinho 20/09/2008 16:36:35
your observations of "the logical conclusion of the free market" are correct... and of concern

and we are suffering from that today... here in america when I was in my youth there were "petrol stations" on every corner... today, you can drive for MILES and not find one...

there are "anti-monopoly" laws here in america. that in theory keep the "one big fish left in the pond" scenario from happening

in the past we have had large companies broken up into smaller companies so competition can survive (at&t and the baby-bells).

in the banking world there are limits as to how much of each "market" a given institution can control.
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mike - across the pond,

media1 20/09/2008 16:39:08
you are aware that OBL's danger has been a KNOWN since long before W came to office?

and was offered to the Clinton whitehouse by Kenya (?) and clinton turned them down?

at least with W he's been on the radar
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 20/09/2008 17:20:52
#73... Obama's judgment is important in this election... And yes, Economics first, and then the wars.
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2dogs in D.C.,

20/09/2008 17:28:20
#55-Pictus-Please don't be dragging the shade of the late,and much missed Scaramouch into the mud of political debate. He probably would not appreciate it.
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nolimits,

Far North 20/09/2008 19:08:06
#69 Richardinho: Exactly! Why do you think that the NAFTA was pushed so hard? Because the giant corporations dictated to the gov'ts that it should be so. Much as I hate to think or say it, a massive crash of the markets would probably be a good thing in the long run. The only other alternative is for the Governments to jerk some chains pretty hard, and reign in these corporations....hard. But I doubt they will have the guts to do it. Too bad, I had hoped my grandkids would have a decent world to live in. Now I am not so sure.
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Media 1,

cape town 20/09/2008 19:31:23
The Republicans are keeping Osama Bin Laden safe, there is no doubt about it! If they werent he would have been captured.
So, if you are a friend of Osama vote McCain!
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Eric D,

Alba 20/09/2008 19:37:08
A Harvard educated lawyer loved by the champagne left, versus a war hero with 40 years service to the United States.Welcome President McCain.
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Media 1,

cape town 20/09/2008 20:09:17
Eric D

McCain your hero is a friend of Osama Bin Laden's!

If he and his cronies in the white house were not, they would have the turbin wearing buggr. But they dont because they are protecting him.
Better that way, or he will speak up!
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Kelvino,

Bay Ridge, Bklyn, NY 20/09/2008 21:39:24
I think that America is being handed a gift. . .
the possibility of a black man being elected President of the United States ( OK. .. half-black is all we're capable of now !) With Obama's pragmatic, non-dogmatic style, we actually stand a chance of coming through these difficult times stronger and wiser for the experience. We might even come to terms with the fact that America is no longer WHITE America, is it ?

A strong, intelligent role-model for black youth might just be the thing to tighten things up, or we can continue to fight the reality of two Americas. The image of McCain and Palin onstage is like a bad
sci-fi dream of continued white-racial-domination, in a world of darker-skinned populations.

As an Irish-American kid in Catholic school many years ago, I saw how demoralized and marginalized my black friends became, as the reality of prejuduce was bestowed upon them by our "protective" white parents
who tried to keep them out of our lily-white suburban neighborhoods. Just what then do we expect ?

"If they only tried harder. . . " etc.

Is YOUR life hard ? Try it with a dark-brown skin next time around the cosmic wheel and let us know what fun you've had !

The world also needs to be reassured that America is STILL open to everyone. . .the "melting pot" that we claim to be proud of, accepting all races and beliefs. We cannot continue our march towards
mindless nationalism and fear-based behaviour. . .it simply no longer works in the real world and gets us
into enormous amounts of trouble with other cultures.

What will the world's perception be of a BLACK American president ? Possibly that we ARE, in fact, truly American and "walked the walk," that we MAY not be the imperialists we have shown ourselves to be over many years, that we can respect the cultures of our trading partners, without resorting to "dropping freedom and democracy on 'em from 20,000 feet!"


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Pilrig.,

Livingston 20/09/2008 22:12:06
Comrade Mike 72 - less of the old, if you please.

Comrade Bambi defo gave us suckers and the Hoose of Commons the speil that the invasion of Iraq was aboot WMDs that could hit London in 45 mins. No mention of regime change, that wasn't part of his argument and this argument was accepted by his comrade MPs and HM's loyal opposition. Now I realise that you comrades across the pond weren't too bothered about semantics regarding the invasion of Iraq. But over here, believe it or not you can get chucked oot of Parliament for telling lies on the floor of the Hoose and Comrade Blair was skating on thin ice. But then the guy knows how to make friends and influence people.
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta CA for more WAR VOTE McCain 20/09/2008 22:20:38
82 Eric D,Alba

Hey dude .what is your definition of a WAR HERO

Is it a guy sitting in a cell for 5 years like McCain and then gets broken after some torture.

Or a guy sitting in a cell in Guantanamo like an Iraqi and gets broken after some torture.

Or is it on of the 57,000 American killed in Vietnam for what ?? a war we lost .

Or is it one of the 200,000 Vietcong who were killed by us in their own country .

We attacked Vietnam . We attacked Iraq.. FACTS dude.

So which are the HERO'S dude . McCain . or Charlie Vietcong.

Get real dude. And don't give me that c*rap about patriotism and a safe country.

Patriotism is the last resort of the scoundrel.

GC

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Laurette,

20/09/2008 23:17:40
#71 Lynne
Media1 #56...But Obama, DID delibertly go the FM while in Iraq and beg him not to sign the Security Pact UNTIL after the elections? That doesn't sound fishy to you? First of all it is illegal. Secondly, who now are the Iraqis to trust and with whom do the Iraqis negotiation. The Iraqis are not happy with him.

You might want to check Professor Cole's "Informed Comment" Blog to get some decent information on Iraq and your post.
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 21/09/2008 00:49:27
I don't have to I saw the Iraqi FM giving an interview, and unlike Charlie Gibson's it wasn't edited.
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mike - across the pond,

um pilrig 21/09/2008 02:59:30
please go back and to your history lessons again

regime change WAS NOT required...

merely compliance with the terms of the UN/Kuwaiti/cease fire

Hussein was all full of bluster and fluff... and in the end got to stretch a rope in the deal...
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mike - across the pond,

ah kelvino.... 21/09/2008 03:07:47
a black man..

just as long as the black man has the right "liberation theology" leanings

if you dont the left will drum up all KINDS of spurious charges... (clarence thomas)

say all KINDS of things to keep you out of the mix (Colin Powell, Condoleza Rice)

just like the left goes all ballistic about Palin... and for WHAT cause?

what ever happened to your response on "brothers", anyway?

are you NOT your brothers keeper? or just if your "brother" has your political leanings and resides on the southern part of the north american continent?

wonder how THAT is going to fly on "judgement day"...
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mike - across the pond,

Harry 21/09/2008 13:07:21
lol

so what you are saying is that Hagel and BO will fit together....
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Laurette,

So Cal 21/09/2008 14:35:02
#88 Lynne A closed mind is a terrible thing to have, but you seem happy with it.
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 21/09/2008 17:43:34
Laurette.. speaking of closed minds.. Open yours.. Have you seen the Iraqi FM speak of this? Maybe if you did you would open up your mind. But then, you seem happy with what YOU have..
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mike - across the pond,

harry 21/09/2008 17:59:18
liberation theology...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology

kinda interesting eh? (interesting in the OH NO kinda way)

chuck hagel....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Hagel

yeah not so funny...
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mike - across the pond,

laurette.... 21/09/2008 18:00:09
keep an open mind... just not so open that your brains fall out
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 21/09/2008 20:07:51
:)
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Taz,

The Land of the Free. 21/09/2008 22:13:47
I love it. Wall Street has a bad day and the rest of the world is on its financial knees within 24 hours. Wall Street gets some positive news and the rest of the world financial markets bounce off the ceiling.
Gawd it's great to be the King.
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta CA: for more WAR VOTE McCain 21/09/2008 22:40:13
101
Taz,
The Land of the Free
--------------------------
We Americans' do not give a rat's ass what foreigners think about us.

The fact is, when we The US far*t the foreigners get diarrhea.

And that is not going to change any time soon.

The US is always ahead of the curve.

CHINA is doing catch-up, using slave labor, and it has taken them 60 years to get where they are to day. Manufacturing shoddy goods and poisonous food stuffs.

Happy Sunset

GC
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 22/09/2008 00:17:06
Taz, The Land of the Fries

"rest of the world is on its financial knees within 24 hours"

The REST of the world? I don't think so. I think you'll find much of the REST of the world taking steps to insulate itself from the fiasco that calls itself the US financial system.

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mike - across the pond,

lhtt.... 22/09/2008 04:02:03
are you living in a dream world?

http://au.biz.yahoo.com/080919/42/1yhvf.html
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Yane,

22/09/2008 09:55:55
#103 Shhhh....don't let on...
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57Nomad,

california 22/09/2008 22:26:40
#87 Laurette

Laurette said:

"You might want to check Professor Cole's "Informed Comment" Blog to get some decent information on Iraq and your post."

The only way you can get any decent information from Juan Cole is to listen very closely to what he says, and then read everything he writes very carefully and then believe the opposite. Juan Cole is a Marxist nitwit.
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57Nomad,

23/09/2008 06:13:50
#86 GC

GC said:

"Patriotism is the last resort of the scoundrel."

That may be so although you have some work to do. Are you saying this, A. "Patriotism is the last resort of the scoundrel," B. "Phil is a patriot", therefore, C. "Phil is a scoundrel?"

It certainly sounds like it. You understand that thinking people regard a comment from you like this as a step, unfortunately, in the wrong direction. You're a smart if annoying guy. Don't be so lazy.
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Number 6,

Germany 25/09/2008 15:02:06
#5 Oi Lynne, Your precious republicans are throwing 25 Billion dollars of American tax-payers money at your auto industry. try and keep up Dear.

Where on earth do you get your information ?.
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Number 6,

Germany 25/09/2008 15:17:35
Taz, your another fantasist. For your information, it's China who dictates US financial policy. Remember your administration telling the american people no tax dollars would be used to bail out Lehmann brothers, only for them to do just that the next day ?.

Did you ever wonder why they had said one thing then done another... NO ? .. well i'll tell you anyway.

The Chinese contacted Bush and informed him that unless you bailed out Lehman bros, there would be a run on the dollar. And why ? because Chinese investors have huge exposure to Lehman bro debts and were not about to lose out.

America OWES CHINA so much money, that they can destroy your economy at a whim. It's called the "Financial Nuclear Option " and they have just
exercised that option. I can assure you it won't be the last time either.

Keep an eye on Chinese companies coming to America to buy up assets. I believe they have earmarked a couple of trillion for over-seas asset aquisition. I can guarantee, they will encounter no regularatory resistance.

Your days of swaggering around the world, doing as you saw fit, have long gone. Russia is now in South America signing Oil deals with both China and Venezuala. A resurgent and wealthy Russia are about to resume business in Cuba, reducing your influence in your own back yard even further.

Never mind.Back to Fox tv with you.

 

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